So can the Genesis be infallible and inerrant history?

[ThinkForYourself]

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I would agree since that IS the way it is. MOST Biblical Scholars follow the traditional view that men wrote the Bible. This is impossible since NO man of the time could have possibly known the scientific Facts, which we are just now discovering. It's empirical PROOF of God.

In Love,
Aman

The bible is the word of god, and yet apparently everybody has a different opinion about what it means.

This makes no sense. Why would god write something that is incomprehensible?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The bible is the word of god, and yet apparently everybody has a different opinion about what it means.

This makes no sense. Why would god write something that is incomprehensible?

Because it was only incomprehensible until Aman777 came along -- aren't we lucky to have him here to clear up centuries' worth of confusion?

 

[Aman777]

Er, I think what you are doing is called the "God of the Gaps" fallacy. You are saying you don't know it happened, therefore it must have been magic, or in this case god.

Dear TFY, You misunderstand. There are NO Gaps in Genesis which shows that in 6 of God's Days or Ages, God will create a Perfect Heaven and fill it with Perfect mankind who will Never die.

Also, I am certain HOW it happened since I actually believe what God wrote instead of what some religionist or scientist told me He wrote.

As I said, there is a huge amount of evidence to support evolution, in many fields such as geology, biology, chemistry, etc.. Just because you don't understand it is no reason to claim it's not true.

You are confused. I am the ONLY Creationist online who shows evolution Scripturally. I understand the changes in the allele frequency over time within a population. i also understand the Lies of the False ToE which is destroying the faith of our children today, with it's Satanic Lies.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

That doesn't say anything about man mating with apes.

You really need to understand more about Science. Humans cannot mate with Apes and never could. Humans can produce offspring with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric man) since prehistoric man was made to be sexually compatible with Humans. Humans were made the 3rd Day (Genesis 2:4-7) and Natural man was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, some 9 Billion years AFTER Humans were made. Genesis 1:21 This shows that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from ANY other creature, since we were FIRST made.

Also, nothing in the bible is fact or proof of anything, no more than tales of Santa Clause are fact or proof. The bible was written by many men, who knew very little of the world outside of their immediate environs. According to biblical scholars, the old testament was written by six different people, and each of their writings reflect the political environment of the time in which they lived.

In the end, EVERYone will see that God's Holy Word agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and Scripture. The problem today is with man's interpretation of Genesis and believing the Lies of the False ToE. The Biggest Satanic Lie is that God did NOT author Genesis.

Also, do you believe there used to be giants?

The verse you are speaking of shows that Intellectual Giants are produced when you mix prehistoric people, whose origin was in the water, with humans, whose origin was in the dust of the ground. This is clear at the end of the verse.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants are today's Humans who are the product of Adam's descendants and the descendants of prehistoric man. The giants are Us. The first intellectual giant was Cain's son, Enoch, and so were all of Cain's descendants. Genesis 4 On our Planet, Noah's grandsons married and produced today's Humans with the people who were here when Noah arrived. The History of Human civilization on this Planet AGREES. Odd man out is the False ToE.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

The bible is the word of god, and yet apparently everybody has a different opinion about what it means.

This makes no sense. Why would god write something that is incomprehensible?

Dear TFY, It's because all Humans are flesh, mortal, and are Apart from God. The ONLY thing good thing about humans is their Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is a Gift of God, lest any man boast. Since the only way to understand Scripture is to be born again Spiritually, those who have not been born again Spiritually find the Bible incomprehensible.

This insures that EVERY Christian comes to God by Faith only. Our God is an Awesome God. His name is Jesus. He gave His life life for us while we were still sinners. He loved us before we loved Him.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Doveaman]

First, time after time what was attributed to the supernatural has turned out to have a mundane explanation.

If the laws that govern the physics were established by the supernatural, then the physics would be attributed to the supernatural.

The physics are governed by the laws, and the laws are governed by the supernatural.

Second, if we accept the supernatural, whose explanation is correct? The Australian Aborigines? The Greeks? Christians? Pagans?

But they all accept the supernatural. Having different opinions doesn't negate the supernatural. People have different opinions about you.

Third, running society based on supernatural explanations is not a good way of doing things.

But good supernatural intervention is a good way of doing things.

Again, whose supernatural explanation do we accept? Some of them are very immoral, including Christianity.

We accept the ones that are not immoral, such as "love". Many people believe "love" is supernatural: "God is love". - (1 John 4:8).

 

[Doveaman]

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence, from many different fields, all of it verifying that evolution is a fact.

Except Darwin's version.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except Darwin's version.

Nope, there are small problems with his version. He knew that he would not be perfect and expected to see his theory improved. But overall it is one of the strongest theories in science.

The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution in the same way that the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. Both are still incomplete, but there is no doubt about the existence of the facts that they try to explain.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by ThinkForYourself

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence, from many different fields, all of it verifying that evolution is a fact.

Dear Readers, Beware the false teaching of the ToE. MicroEvolution or Adaptation within His kinds is True and easily measured. It happens everytime a baby is produced by two other individuals. The two become one just as Adam's first recorded words show. Genesis 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

The problem is that the False ToE, which is being force taught to our children in the Public Schools, is that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes and the evidence is within our blood. This is a big Lie or the incomplete False Assumptions of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth.

In Love,
Aman
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[Doveaman]

Nope, there are small problems with his version. He knew that he would not be perfect and expected to see his theory improved. But overall it is one of the strongest theories in science.

So it's the best explanation you have so far. Okay.

The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution in the same way that the theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. Both are still incomplete, but there is no doubt about the existence of the facts that they try to explain.

I don't doubt the facts. I doubt the theory that tries to explain the facts.

I accept your facts, but I reject your theory.

 

[bhsmte]

So it's the best explanation you have so far. Okay.
I don't doubt the facts. I doubt the theory that tries to explain the facts.

I accept your facts, but I reject your theory.

What do the facts that you accept tell you?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Except Darwin's version.

You are wrong.

The evidence does support Darwin's version. There were things that needed correcting, and there were holes that needed filling.

That is true of everything science studies. It is never 100% complete, there are always new facts and evidence coming to light. Things change as we learn more.

But even if the Theory of Evolution is eventually shown to be 100% wrong, it still won't prove that "god did it". "God did it" is not the default position, but something that will require facts and evidence to support. So far, I have seen none.

 

[FatBurk]

But even if the Theory of Evolution is eventually shown to be 100% wrong, it still won't prove that "god did it". "God did it" is not the default position, but something that will require facts and evidence to support. So far, I have seen none.

Nor will anyone, ever.

 

[EternalDragon]

Nor will anyone, ever.

You can and do already see it. I guess you just don't realize it.

 

[Doveaman]

What do the facts that you accept tell you?

Nothing actually. But I can interpret them to tell me whatever I want to hear.

 

[Doveaman]

You are wrong.

I'm not wrong. I'm just different.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Nothing actually. But I can interpret them to tell me whatever I want to hear.

And so you do.

 

[Doveaman]

And so you do.

And so do you.

 

[dad]

.. "God did it" is not the default position, but something that will require facts and evidence to support. So far, I have seen none.

There are NO facts and evidence that are available to oppose God creating the world, and life. There is no science ABLE to determine how it was done. For much of history, and for billions throughout history, yes, God is the default. For a lost minority, groping in the dark, it may not be, but since you are bankrupt of alternatives that have the least merit, who cares?

 

[Doveaman]

"God did it" is not the default position, but something that will require facts and evidence to support. So far, I have seen none.

"God did it" is the best explanation for the cause of the universe.

God is the cause of the universe. The cause of the universe is God. Therefore, the cause of the universe is evidence of God. Find the cause of the universe and you will find God.

 

[dad]

You are wrong.

The evidence does support Darwin's version..

Not for the origin of what the species spieciated from!

"Although Darwin had stated in The Origin of Species that “all the organic beings which have ever lived on this Earth may be descended from some primordial form”, he was keenly aware that there was no explanation of how such an ancestral entity had first evolved. "


Charles Darwin and the Origin of Life