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Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible doesn't support the notion that God love is unconditional. [/FONT]
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popular opinion has ambiguously combined love with saved -- that to is in error. [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]
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I might as well say it right here in Post #1:
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John 3:16 is not a freewill 'get out of jail' card that can be played to guarentee universal salvation for everyone that ever lived. Pardon the brevity of what I'm about to say for the moment, the context of John 3:16 is 'Look to Jesus for eternal life'!
NOT . . . . Jesus loves me, so I get to go to heaven when I die
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
IF one believed in Jesus then one would do what He COMMANDS as Lord, Love, not sin...
so there is the 'conditional' aspect of salvation ... no-one can be saved until they repent... it means STOP SINNING , not just saying one is 'sorry' every week and continuing to sin as almost all 'religious' sinners do who think they have repented ...
men can lie and so most do sin by lying [many all the time] , but it means men lie to themselves, hence religion of sinners, now mass religion of sinners worldwide claiming that it must be right because so many follow it, but Jesus says the opposite -Rev 13:3-4 - and we know so very FEW find the way of Jesus, Love, not sin, in this life...
no problem for God, He required Jesus as Messiah to save the few of Israel's two Houses , never expected the nonsense spoken of by sinners , never created a mass religion , just a few saints BUT PURE , perfected in Love, images of Jesus in purity of Love, no more sin in their lives...
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even
as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1 John 5:18 We know that
whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God
keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him
not.
1 John 3:8 He that
committeth sin is
of the devil
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let
every one that nameth the name of Christ
depart from iniquity.
sin then is all that keeps a man from spirit baptism to know all truth of God and go on to trial to perfect Love by PROVING one is not tempted by Satan's lies about how good sin is ... God just happens to be right, Love of all by all is happiness for all, no othere way works, so we ALL have a task which most fail in this life, many succeed in the next life, and all the rest succeed as Jesus promises in their third life... no-one needs four lives to see God was right all along, sin is just a big disaster of a mistake, short term thinking leading to misery and destruction... :-
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
but we know sinners have their own religions worldwide , soon to even unite when Satan turns up telling everyone he is God because he conquers all nations and does 'miracles' [fakes] , brings 'peace' at price of Satan as world ruler and head of a tyrannical religion -Rev 13:3-4... it last three and a half years only before men get sick of the tyranny and kill Satan [Ezek 28, 2Thess 2] ... then Jesus returns and takes the very few saints ... the worst time ever for mankind greets the sinners...Matt 24
it is only the firstborn few taken to create the kingdom though, we know all sinners are destroyed, but their spirit returns to God who gave it and all are freed from 'hell' [Rev 20:13] to be judged by works after death frees them from sin [Romans 6:7]... we know countless many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] of all nations, who all clearly are destroyed in THIS earth and heavens [Matt 7:13-14]
and so it goes on to a third life for all whose wages for sin in the new earth are death to free them yet again from sin, but Jesus promises they will then accept him as king BY RULE OF Love , no sin by 'rod of iron'... so we know all are saved in baptism of 'fire' in the lake... none can deny Love works any longer, God proves it in the kingdom come... and sin fails because Love succeeds once men TRY it, just as God has said from the beginning ... there is no better way by sin, no short-cuts to paradise...everyone learns but it takes some three lives, some never even die once before being taken there by God [like Enoch is]
but indeed it can take up to three lives before translation to freedom of immortality of the third heaven [there is no third earth!- all are changed in translation to spirit]