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Skulls, Halloween, dark stuff...

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What I'd be more worried is pentagrams and upside down crosses which represent Satan so I'd avoid those than skulls and such.

Skulls can have a variety of meanings, can't they?

Such as, I'm confident and not afraid of death, etc.

I strongly agree about avoiding occultic symbols, though.
 
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Christmas was never a pagan holiday. The celebration of winter solstice, different story.
Halloween is not a pagan day, either.
If you remember your Old Testament, Jewish holy days started at sundown and continued until sundown. So the Sabbath began Friday evening at sundown through Saturday evening at sundown.
Early Christians continued and Catholics today do continue, this practice. In Catholic Church calendar, Nov 1 is All Saints Day, and the evening before is called All Hallows Eve. Hallows, meaning holy.

I can agree with you that the secular world has corrupted Catholic holidays (look at Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras and New Year's Eve for proof), but that corruption is no reflection on the Church.

I also agree that there seems to be an increased interest in skulls in art, especially in body art. But don't blame it on Christians, please...
 
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Oh I'd never blame the increase of skull popularity on Christians at all. In fact it'd be the opposite...the world introducing it, and Christians thinking it's "cool"...and accepting it...and we're not to be like or look like the world...

So Christmas wasn't a pagan holiday either? Well, I always knew I was naive but I didn't think that my ancestors/spiritual leaders in the past would be THAT far off base...my apologies...learn something new every day I guess!

I love to do research, I don't know why I haven't really researched this before lol
 
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Our family has always done Halloween.
I look forward to the Halloween spook movies that come out during that period.

Matt 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went away to them, walking upon the sea,
26 and the disciples having seen Him walking upon the sea, were troubled saying--`It is an apparition/ghost/fantasma <5326>,'
and from the fear they cried out;
[Mark 14:23]

5326. phantasma fan'-tas-mah from 5324; (properly concrete) a (mere) show ("phantasm"), i.e. spectre:--spirit.


 
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I guess it's sometimes a matter of definition. It's wrong to be dominated by the world's thinking. In terms of style, there is a sense that we are likely to be influenced to some extent , as long as we are not dominated by it. For example, my wife does not feel dressed if she goes out without putting on her face; she dyes her hair and gets nice haircuts; did The Chop years ago. Unless we are to adopt an Amish / monastic look, then inevitably there may the influence of some kind of style: sometimes 'lighter', sometimes 'darker', maybe Victorian Gothic, etc.

Blessings.
 
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I come from a non-denominational background where we did not have a pastor...we were called the Plymouth Brethren. We didn't believe in birthdays, Christmas, Easter, or Halloween because (this is what I was told) of the pagan influences. Women wore long dresses and head coverings. We didn't listen to secular music or watch non-fiction movies or secular ones for that matter. We also could not read non-fiction books or any books that had any kind of ungodliness in them. Women couldn't get a job outside of home. It was quite close to Mennonite ways...for sure...

I am far from that. Have been wearing pants for over 10 years now and go to a Foursquare pentecostal church and I am pretty laid back. But it sure can be hard to separate myself from those old ingrained beliefs. However, I have learned that having an open mind and accepting more has gotten me a lot farther than being judgmental and shutting out everything.
 
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I think there must be lots of varieties of so called Plymouth Brethren: I know some who are warm and friendly, love the Word and show love to believers and unbelievers, women wear jeans and do professional jobs, get pierced ears, etc. Not at all the image that you describe. There must be various varieties.

The problem is when old fashioned styles are held up to to be inherently 'spiritual' and anything new is seen as 'wrong'. Yes we must be sanctified, but this is another matter. Giving young people a hard time because they seem like they are alive in 2014 is sad.

Blessings.
 
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Yes, there are MANY strains of the Plymouth Brethren. We were the Exclusive Brethren, but our particular "assembly" kind of picked and chose what it wanted to believe from the different strains. We were the "Kelley Lowe" strain. Whatever that meant. But the elders made up the rules for our families, and then my biological dad made up some of his own for our home as well.

As a group of Christians, we were warm and friendly, but if someone came in to our meeting who didn't look right, and they didn't change their look to match "Christian" looks, then they would be asked to leave. So we were nice to outsiders, although we were isolated quite a bit from unbelievers.
 
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Well, I guess now you can choose your own style! I guess dh figures where you are coming from, so to speak.

I think that skulls might be regarded as trendy - not unlike tribal lines and patterns - but I would not go so far to say they are objectively 'wrong'.

Two cents'.

Blessings.
 
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Regarding Christmas, if you're talking about the date (Dec 25) or Christmas trees, wreaths, candles, etc., in other words, all the ways the secular world celebrates Christmas, you can call that pagan.

If you're talking about what Christmas celebrates, the birth of Jesus, and all that connotes, then no. Same with Halloween, St. Patty's Day, Christmas Eve, Valentine's Day, and Mardi Gras, and Easter, too. When you look at what underlies those days (Halloween-our dear departed relatives, hopefully in heaven; St. Patrick's day-the patron saint of Ireland; Christmas-I've already mentioned; Valentine's Day-a legendary saint; Mardi Gras-the celebration before the season of penance; and Easter-the passion and resurrection of Christ), you see that by and large, they represent holiness and virtue.
 
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There are lots of pagan practices that are used in and within Christianity. That doesn't make them bad. In fact, baptism was a pagan practice which St. John the Baptist took, and used, and which Christ Himself sanctified. So Christians can (and do) take pagan practices, and reform them to something holy.
Regarding clothing styles, and such, I don't really mind. I've seen Middle Eastern women, almost totally covered from head to toe, except for face, who were beautiful. Mary dressed this way, at least in the art. My wife wears a head-covering to go to Mass. She's the only one in the parish that does so. I believe it's a person's right to dress how they feel comfortable, so it's not for me to demand that she dress in any particular way. She feels called to wear a mantilla to worship God. Because worshipping God is not about how we dress, it's about how we place our minds in His presence.
 
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Yeah but you wouldn't wear a skull and cross bone t-shirt and jeans with holes in them to Church would you
 
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Ripped jeans? What's the matter with those?

Well, I have people in my church, they have tattoos, piercings, wear "darker" stuff...even have a couple of goth teens there...no one kicks them out...I've actually seen some of them start dressing a little nicer lately...you just never know...
 
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