Sitting while Black

[katherine2001]

I guess people are just supposed to let the police arrest them when they've done nothing wrong. Heaven forbid that someone should use their Constitutional right to free speech. We'd better get used to it, because police these days seem to think they have the right to do anything they want to, including beating people up. I guarantee you that if an officer tries to arrest me when I've done nothing wrong, I'm not going to let him/her arrest me without saying something, and I don't expect anyone else to either.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I guess people are just supposed to let the police arrest them when they've done nothing wrong. Heaven forbid that someone should use their Constitutional right to free speech. We'd better get used to it, because police these days seem to think they have the right to do anything they want to, including beating people up. I guarantee you that if an officer tries to arrest me when I've done nothing wrong, I'm not going to let him/her arrest me without saying something, and I don't expect anyone else to either.

This has nothing to do with the first amendment.

They didn't beat this guy up. They tased him when he didn't comply with their instructions.

Say something if you wish, but you can keep it respectful and really, about the only thing you should be saying to a cop is "I am exercising my right to remain silent" or "are you detaining me".

 

[HorsieJuice]

Right after the 45 second mark

I said he didn't do anything to help the situation.

That statement, by itself, I agree with. That said, nothing he did warranted what happened to him. The cops were 100% in the wrong.

And he wasn't abused. Cops acted within the boundaries they needed to, in my opinion.

Lol, really? A security guard tries to kick him out of a public area, makes what is essentially a false report against him, then a cop attempts to makes an illegal, unwarranted arrest and you think it's ok to tase him? Really?

We'll see what a review brings about. Charges not being filed doesn't automatically mean an arrest is bogus.

Being cleared by a review doesn't mean that the arrest and/or tasing weren't bogus.

 

[katherine2001]

If the charges were dropped, you can bet the arrest was bogus. If the charges were dropped, it is because the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case. I hope Mr. Lollie sues the PD for false arrest.

I think it is important to stand up for our rights. If we don't, those bounds will be overstepped. With the police beating people up and so on these days, people better start standing up for the rights and hitting their pocket book by suing them for their behavior or it is just going to get worse.

 

[katherine2001]

If the charges were dropped, you can bet the arrest was bogus. If the charges were dropped, it is because the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case. I hope Mr. Lollie sues the PD for false arrest.

I think it is important to stand up for our rights. If we don't, those bounds will be overstepped. With the police beating people up and so on these days, people better start standing up for the rights and hitting their pocket book by suing them for their behavior or it is just going to get worse.

 

[MachZer0]

If the charges were dropped, you can bet the arrest was bogus. If the charges were dropped, it is because the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case. I hope Mr. Lollie sues the PD for false arrest.

I think it is important to stand up for our rights. If we don't, those bounds will be overstepped. With the police beating people up and so on these days, people better start standing up for the rights and hitting their pocket book by suing them for their behavior or it is just going to get worse.

That isn't necessarily true. It could be as simple as the prosecutor not feeling it was worth tying up the judicial system.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

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I'd love for him to explain why he thought Lollie was going for the gun.

That statement, by itself, I agree with. That said, nothing he did warranted what happened to him. The cops were 100% in the wrong.

He continued to argue with the police and refused to do what they told him. Whether he believed he did nothing wrong or not, the cops have a job to do.

What...are cops just supposed to NOT do anything when an alleged criminal says "I didn't do nothing wrong"?

Lol, really? A security guard tries to kick him out of a public area, makes what is essentially a false report against him, then a cop attempts to makes an illegal, unwarranted arrest and you think it's ok to tase him? Really?

The hysteria is really showing in your post here. The security guard was working from the notion that it was an area for employees only, so you saying he filed a false report is...well...false. The cops, who may not have had all the information, tried to make contact with the suspect who decided it would be better to basically ignore them and then call them racist. He continues to refuse to do what he is asked to do and is still being vocally abusive.

So yeah, I think the cops acted rightly. All Lollie had to do was comply with what they were initially asking and this situation wouldn't have escalated.

Being cleared by a review doesn't mean that the arrest and/or tasing weren't bogus.

And being black doesn't automatically make someone a victim.

 

[HorsieJuice]

He continued to argue with the police and refused to do what they told him. Whether he believed he did nothing wrong or not, the cops have a job to do.

What...are cops just supposed to NOT do anything when an alleged criminal says "I didn't do nothing wrong"?

No, but the cops should be aware of what the laws are and what they are allowed and not allowed to do. They should've known that this sort of trespassing that they didn't witness is not something they're allowed to arrest someone over.

If you want to argue that the cops used a reasonable amount of force to get him to bend to their will, that's fine. The problem is that they didn't have a right to require him to comply with anything in the first place.

The hysteria is really showing in your post here. The security guard was working from the notion that it was an area for employees only, so you saying he filed a false report is...well...false.

At best, it's false in the sense that it was incorrect.

And being black doesn't automatically make someone a victim.

No, but us having multiple recordings of what happened does and they clearly show the guard and the police overstepping their bounds.

 

[stamperben]

That isn't necessarily true. It could be as simple as the prosecutor not feeling it was worth tying up the judicial system.

Then he is lax at his job and should be recalled! Are you going to lead the charge on that?

thought not...

 

[MachZer0]

Then he is lax at his job and should be recalled! Are you going to lead the charge on that?

thought not...

Sorry, but that sort of thing happens all the time. We even have a president who refuses to prosecute certain crimes for an entire class of people and none of my liberal friends have claimed he was lax in his job

 

[stamperben]

Sorry, but that sort of thing happens all the time. We even have a president who refuses to prosecute certain crimes for an entire class of people and none of my liberal friends have claimed he was lax in his job

All you can do is point fingers at the president? How sad... I feel for your loss of keeping on track here.

But like I said, I didn't think you'd really have an issue with this prosecutor filing charges against Lollie.

 

[CaDan]

If the charges were dropped, you can bet the arrest was bogus. If the charges were dropped, it is because the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case. I hope Mr. Lollie sues the PD for false arrest.

I think it is important to stand up for our rights. If we don't, those bounds will be overstepped. With the police beating people up and so on these days, people better start standing up for the rights and hitting their pocket book by suing them for their behavior or it is just going to get worse.

City attorney confirmed that she did could not prove the elements of the "crime".

I linked to this earlier.

 

[CaDan]

That isn't necessarily true. It could be as simple as the prosecutor not feeling it was worth tying up the judicial system.

The city attorney stated she did not have the evidence to proceed with a misdemeanor prosecution.

I checked the misdemeanor court docket for Ramsey County and no prosecution was ever even started.

 

[bhsmte]

The city attorney stated she did not have the evidence to proceed with a misdemeanor prosecution.

I checked the misdemeanor court docket for Ramsey County and no prosecution was ever even started.

You know, even if they had evidence (which they don't) I would think they would have better things to do with their resources, than to prosecute something like this.

 

[CaDan]

The hysteria is really showing in your post here. The security guard was working from the notion that it was an area for employees only, so you saying he filed a false report is...well...false. The cops, who may not have had all the information, tried to make contact with the suspect who decided it would be better to basically ignore them and then call them racist. He continues to refuse to do what he is asked to do and is still being vocally abusive.

Watch the security video and see the white guy sitting in the same area during that time and not getting rousted. Then give me an explanation that does not include the race of the "criminals".

So yeah, I think the cops acted rightly. All Lollie had to do was comply with what they were initially asking and this situation wouldn't have escalated.

"Baby, why'd you make me hit you?"

And being black doesn't automatically make someone a victim.

But it does automatically make someone a suspect. The evidence of that plays out in the security videos.

 

[CaDan]

You know, even if they had evidence (which they don't) I would think they would have better things to do with their resources, than to prosecute something like this.

Ever gone to the misdemeanor calendar in an urban court? The call it "cattle call" for a reason. Lots and lots of dinky stuff gets prosecuted

This would be a misdemeanor tag citation--as much work as a traffic ticket. The city attorney's wasn't even willing to fill out a form to get this on the docket. That's how bad this case was.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You know, even if they had evidence (which they don't) I would think they would have better things to do with their resources, than to prosecute something like this.

Precisely.

Watch the security video and see the white guy sitting in the same area during that time and not getting rousted. Then give me an explanation that does not include the race of the "criminals".

Is the white guy an employee. I asked that once before. The woman that was sitting there got up and left.

"Baby, why'd you make me hit you?"

As a victim of domestic violence, I find it sickening that you keep using this line. The two situations are NOT the same.

But it does automatically make someone a suspect. The evidence of that plays out in the security videos.

Oh really...How is it that there are SO MANY black people in this world that manage to not even come into contact with a police officer on any given day?

 

[bhsmte]

Ever gone to the misdemeanor calendar in an urban court? The call it "cattle call" for a reason. Lots and lots of dinky stuff gets prosecuted

This would be a misdemeanor tag citation--as much work as a traffic ticket. The city attorney's wasn't even willing to fill out a form to get this on the docket. That's how bad this case was.

Sounds like fun.

 

[bhsmte]

Watch the security video and see the white guy sitting in the same area during that time and not getting rousted. Then give me an explanation that does not include the race of the "criminals".




"Baby, why'd you make me hit you?"





But it does automatically make someone a suspect. The evidence of that plays out in the security videos.

How has the twin cities media been reporting this situation?

Have they been giving the bank a hard time for shooing this guy away and or the 2nd cop specifically that seemed over aggressive?

 

[AirPo]

Oh really...How is it that there are SO MANY black people in this world that manage to not even come into contact with a police officer on any given day?

Have you not heard about the "talk?"