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  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    We all battle the flesh until we pass from this life.
    The spirit and the flesh are at constant war with each other, daily, as written.
     
  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    It would bother most people because it would be a lie - no, it is not a good thing.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Not according to Scripture. (and the Scriptural meaning, Yahuweh's meaning of 'perfect', with is required for disciples of Jesus born again by the will of the Father in heaven).

    Who perfectly knows us, inside and out ? Even our hearts and all of our desires, and our minds, every thought ?
     
  4. Gracia Singh

    Gracia Singh Newbie Supporter

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  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Possibly a false understanding.......
     
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  6. D.A. Wright

    D.A. Wright Unworthy Recipient Of Unfathomable Love Supporter

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    Thanks, but it's simply brimming over with conjecture, distraction, and extra-biblical dogma. I can make neither heads nor tails of it. I have all I can do to try to interpret the Bible alone correctly. All of the traditions of Catholicism just make my head swim. Sorry, I guess I'm just a hopeless protestant (meaning "one who is in favor of testing"). Very kind of you to offer clarification, though.
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I never thought that was something kind to do.
    (That which leads away from the Bible, away from Jesus.)
     
  8. D.A. Wright

    D.A. Wright Unworthy Recipient Of Unfathomable Love Supporter

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    A kindness can be ill-informed, Jeff.
     
  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Proverbs 14:12 - Bible Gateway

    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/EN/Proverbs+14:12

    There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death. ... you have chosen, but you'll find out in the end that you took the road to destruction.
    Proverbs 16:25 - Bible Gateway

    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Proverbs%2016:25

    There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death. ... a road that seems to be right, but at the end of that road death and destruction wait.
     
  10. Blade

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    If your talking "willingly" sin. Sure.. we can stop that. In the WORD if we don't do what God tells us to do thats sin.

    The thing your missing is "flesh". When Christ told some to "go and sin no more" that was willingly sinning. We will aways have sin. At some point this flesh will act out in some way.

    What does it even matter? Well its already written for all the world "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". All that have or ever will be.. sinners. All needed Christ.
     
  11. tdidymas

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    I got the idea she was saying Mary was also a sinner. She stated "A Saint is just a sinner who tries again." No?
    TD:)
     
  12. D.A. Wright

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    I agree, but the document presented doesn't seem to bear that out. The doctrine of "original sin" is employed, which is squarely at odds with the general definition of sin taught throughout the Bible. Of course, some will argue that "...to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17), but the Bible is clear that sins of ignorance are sins, nonetheless. The degree of guilt may be mitigated but the perfection of God's creation has still been violated. The article is obviously part of a series of apologetics designed to set minds at ease, e.g., for those who are converting to Catholicism for reasons other than purely spiritual. However edifying they may seem to the faithful, they are not intended to convince initiated seekers of truth.

    I'm (quite seriously) certain that she is a lovely, sincere, and devoted Christian (with a beautiful name, btw). But as we're talking about doctrine here, all I can say is that, as it is among the Protestant communions, controversy abounds in the Universal Church, as well. I know this to be the case. The clergy seem largely to be no more united than the laity throughout Christendom when it comes to the understanding of standards of faith and practice. The same is true within my own denomination.
     
  13. CharismaticLady

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    It is amazing those that do not believe the gospel. Jesus came to free us from SIN! We are no longer called sinners, but children of God.

    1 John 3:1-9
    Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

    4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

    7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

    John 8:34-36
    34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

    To those of the reformed sects, don't keep taking the Word of God out of context as the founders of your sects did centuries ago. The problem with the person in Romans 7 is that he has never been freed from his sin nature by Christ as in the verses above written by John. Paul is not referring to Christians who have the Spirit, he is talking of those who know the law, but are trying in vain to keep it without being born again of the Spirit. It is Chapter 8 that is a Christian and are no longer under the law. Romans 7 and 8 are the contrast between the LAW vs. SPIRIT. You people have believed a lie long enough, and as Jude said, have turned the grace of God into licentiousness. SIN vs. DEAD TO SIN

    Romans 7:13
    13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

    Romans 8:3b-4
    on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
     
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  14. D.A. Wright

    D.A. Wright Unworthy Recipient Of Unfathomable Love Supporter

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    Hogwash
     
  15. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    Prove it.
     
  16. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    Why do you all ask me when I became sinless? I made no claim regarding this. Let Christ speak for me, he is my advocate.
     
  17. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    You all continually claim that we will continue to sin until we leave this body. Where is your Scriptural proof for this? I do not read any of the apostles anywhere concluding that they still continued in sin, and I have read the claims. They are all conjecture to me.

    Where is the power in your gospel? Please show me. TD at least made an attempt to answer the 1st question, but he started off with an old familiar statement rather than addressing the question.

    Read Romans from the beginning and see how Paul builds his argument that we, who are baptised in Christ are free from the Law and that salvation is of Grace through faith without the Law. He uses baptism into Christ as an indication that we died in him through identification.

    His argument is that death is death to the flesh and the law. The flesh is married to the Law and ruled by sin. We, who have died in Christ have died in the flesh and are raised in the Spirit. We are now free from the law, having died.

    In chapter 7 he uses the marriage covenant to illustrate this. Now read chapter 7. I think it is clear that he is setting up a comparison of before and after and, in the 1st person, describes the impossible relationship with the Law ending with the question, how are we to escape this? His answer is Jesus Christ. Before the question is before salvation and his answer to the question is salvation.

    He then flows on to chapter 8 to answer the question, how are we to experience chapter 6? By following the Spirit and not fulfilling the deeds of the flesh. If you follow the lusts of the flesh you will suffer the consequences, if you follow the Spirit you will reap the rewards as the Spirit quickens your body to obey.

    To say that Paul is speaking of the saved person when he sets up the impossible relationship with the Law is simply hear say and not contextual. This is strengthened by the fact that Paul's constant claim is, I am not under Law but under Grace.

    I am not under Law but under Grace.
     
  18. Danthemailman

    Danthemailman Well-Known Member

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    Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
     
  19. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    This would thesis would leave the instructions to confess sin and repent from sin curious indeed.

    I am reminded of that text that says God will send some a strong delusion so that they will believe a lie. Sinless perfectionism is one such lie.

    Since Romans 7 is part of the effected delusion, I'd recommend to discuss Revelation 2 and 3 in context of 1st John.
     
  20. fhansen

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    The real point is that we continue to have a choice throughout whatever time we have in this life, to live for God, or not. We still have an obligation to be righteous, to strive and at least gain in that endeavor with the help of grace. He'll accomplish that in us, as we respond. Then He judges how well we've done with what we've been given.
     
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