Since we are not under the law, why do we still Tithe?

[Sophrosyne]

So now we can see that if you think you MUST tithe then by NOT tithing properly (or forgetting to tithe one time) you are setting yourself up to be cursed.

 

[Cribstyl]

I differ with my friends about tithing and one of the clear facts is this argument is: Tithing began with Abraham and Melchezidek(Mel), and not with the law given to Moses. That should be a hint for some to search the scriptures some more.

I was like Paul (Saul) until I allowed the Holy Spirit opened my eyes about tithings.
It's actually a clear door for blessings from God.
Man and his money is clear proof whether he trust in God or he gives lip service and trusting in his own abilities.


The book of Hebrews is written like a the whole bible condensed, it especially contains the clear fact about Christ's priesthood.

The lesson we learn about Abraham and Mel has no parallel with blood sacrifices of the Levitical priesthood. The major lesson is about; 'a tithe from Abraham' and a 'blessing from Mel'.
The bible tells us that Christ's priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek's not the Levites.

Some can argue that 1 incident does not settle the issue for them.

This Hebrews 7 text below actually compares the Levitical priesthood to a living Christ who is sitting on the throne in heaven....... HE RECIEVETH THEM.....(our tithes) ... BUT THERE..(in heaven).

Heb 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


Our tithes is actually a witness that our High Priest liveth and the blessings are garanteed to follow if He lives.

Why should we tithe to the church?

Some of us have argued that it's written; to lay in store as the Lord prospered.... on the first day of the week

 

[Sophrosyne]

I differ with my friends about tithing and one of the clear facts is this argument is: Tithing began with Abraham and Melchezidek(Mel), and not with the law given to Moses. That should be a hint for some to search the scriptures some more.
I was like Paul (Saul) until the I allowed the Holy Spirit opened my eyes about tithings. It's actually a clear door for blessings from God. Man and his money is clear proof whether he trust in God or in his own ability to live.

The book of Hebrews is written like a the whole bible condensed, it especially contains the clear fact about Christ's priesthood.

The lesson we learn about Abraham and Mel has no parallel with blood sacrifices of the Levitical priesthood. The major lesson is about; 'a tithe from Abraham' and a 'blessing from Mel'.
The bible tells us that Christ's priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek's not the Levites.

Some can argue that 1 incident does not settle the issue for them.

This Hebrews 7 text below actually compares the Levitical priesthood to a living Christ who is sitting on the throne in heaven....... HE RECIEVETH THEM.....(our tithes).

Heb 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


Our tithes is actually a witness that our High Priest liveth and the blessings are garanteed to follow if He lives.

Why should we tithe to the church?

Some of us have argued that it's written; to lay in store as the Lord prospered.... on the first day of the week

Tithing is a mandatory thing if it is truly tithing, otherwise it is just giving a tenth like Abraham did he never felt compelled to constantly give by a rule or law of God neither should we feel compelled to give an exact tenth because we read others did. I think it is an amount that to me doesn't make sense as some who can afford to give more are dissuaded to do so by the idea of tithing while some who cannot afford to give at all would feel guilty.

 

[SAAN]

I differ with my friends about tithing and one of the clear facts is this argument is: Tithing began with Abraham and Melchezidek(Mel), and not with the law given to Moses. That should be a hint for some to search the scriptures some more.

I was like Paul (Saul) until I allowed the Holy Spirit opened my eyes about tithings.
It's actually a clear door for blessings from God.
Man and his money is clear proof whether he trust in God or he gives lip service and trusting in his own abilities.


The book of Hebrews is written like a the whole bible condensed, it especially contains the clear fact about Christ's priesthood.

The lesson we learn about Abraham and Mel has no parallel with blood sacrifices of the Levitical priesthood. The major lesson is about; 'a tithe from Abraham' and a 'blessing from Mel'.
The bible tells us that Christ's priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek's not the Levites.

Some can argue that 1 incident does not settle the issue for them.

This Hebrews 7 text below actually compares the Levitical priesthood to a living Christ who is sitting on the throne in heaven....... HE RECIEVETH THEM.....(our tithes) ... BUT THERE..(in heaven).

Heb 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


Our tithes is actually a witness that our High Priest liveth and the blessings are garanteed to follow if He lives.

Why should we tithe to the church?

Some of us have argued that it's written; to lay in store as the Lord prospered.... on the first day of the week

The point I was getting at in the OP was, we cant rewrite a command of God and change tithe from food to money just to suite our needs in modern times then condemn people for not following a manipulated command that never commands a tenth of your income. The tithing was food to provide for the needy and was for the High Priest and Levites. THere is no high priest any more and why did Abraham tithe when he had no command to do so.


Moses had so much tithes he had to start giving some back...When is the last time you have ever heard of any church saying we have some much tithes, that we will give some of it back to you.

We are free to give free will offerings now of any amount and 10% can be a great starting point, BUT it is NOT a mandatory starting point and you are not robbing God if you dont give a 10% off the top. You are robbing God if you choose NOT to give at all and have the means to.

 

[Frogster]

Chapter and verse!

even giving is not???????


2 Cor 8:8 I say this not as a command, but to prove by the earnestness of others that your love also is genuine.

besides, the priesthood that collected tithe under the old cov are gone, the laws were???



Heb 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by from scratch

Now apply this to the law about tithing which doesn't apply to Christians that are under a free will system of giving.
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Originally Posted by Elder 111

Chapter and verse!
​

I do not see anything in here about tithing not being for christians.
I do not see the law abolished either. How is writing on the heart an abolition?

then if you think the literal laws are somehow transferred into the new cov,
there would have to be animal blood again, a temple, too.

You can't bring tithing ordinances as literal, without the literal temple priests, that they were given to.

Is it a law that a Christian must literally snip his son on the 8th day?

 

[Frogster]

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”

love it!

 

[Frogster]

Abe tithed once, in 175 years, it was not his earnings, so the next time I slaughter some kings, I will give once, not out of my money.

Besides, the whole point of Heb 7:1-10 is showing that even the mighty Abe was subordinate to Mel, the lesser is bleesed by the greater is said for a reason, it was about how great Mel was, and he subordinated even the priests, by saying they even tithed to Mel via the loins of Abe.

It would be silly for the writer, to start confusing the wayward Hebrews, and start teaching them about tithing in Hebrews, they knew about that, 7:5, they had known about the law.

It is showing how great Mel was, even greater than Abe, who showed submission by tithing, this fits the book, 7 being a teaching for the church to tithe does not.

In chapter 3, he covered that Jesus was greater than Moses, in 7, Jesus is greater than Abraham.


7:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.


Look how great, that is what he wanted them to see, that EVEN the mighty Abe tithed to him.

7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils

 

[from scratch]

I differ with my friends about tithing and one of the clear facts is this argument is: Tithing began with Abraham and Melchezidek(Mel), and not with the law given to Moses. That should be a hint for some to search the scriptures some more.

I was like Paul (Saul) until I allowed the Holy Spirit opened my eyes about tithings.
It's actually a clear door for blessings from God.
Man and his money is clear proof whether he trust in God or he gives lip service and trusting in his own abilities.


The book of Hebrews is written like a the whole bible condensed, it especially contains the clear fact about Christ's priesthood.

The lesson we learn about Abraham and Mel has no parallel with blood sacrifices of the Levitical priesthood. The major lesson is about; 'a tithe from Abraham' and a 'blessing from Mel'.
The bible tells us that Christ's priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek's not the Levites.

Some can argue that 1 incident does not settle the issue for them.

This Hebrews 7 text below actually compares the Levitical priesthood to a living Christ who is sitting on the throne in heaven....... HE RECIEVETH THEM.....(our tithes) ... BUT THERE..(in heaven).

Heb 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


Our tithes is actually a witness that our High Priest liveth and the blessings are garanteed to follow if He lives.

Why should we tithe to the church?

Some of us have argued that it's written; to lay in store as the Lord prospered.... on the first day of the week

I fully agree you should study the matter more. According to the laws on tithing Abraham didn't tithe. The first thing is it wasn't his property. You can't relate this to tithing money according to the levitical law on tithing.

1 Cor 16 has nothing to do with tithing.

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by from scratch

Now apply this to the law about tithing which doesn't apply to Christians that are under a free will system of giving.
​

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Chapter and verse!
​

I do not see anything in here about tithing not being for christians.
I do not see the law abolished either. How is writing on the heart an abolition?

You don't understand what I presented in the least do you?

 

[from scratch]

OK I stopped laughing.

 

[Cribstyl]

I fully agree you should study the matter more. According to the laws on tithing Abraham didn't tithe. The first thing is it wasn't his property. You can't relate this to tithing money according to the levitical law on tithing.

You're saying Abraham didn't tithe...... Hebrews 7 say Mel received tithes of Abraham. I'm not talking about according to the law on tithing, you are.
I'm reading and posting scriptures say Abraham gave tithe(s)


Heb 7:6

But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. [/quote]

1 Cor 16 has nothing to do with tithing.

Did I say anything about 1Cor 16?

 

[Elder 111]

even giving is not???????


2 Cor 8:8 I say this not as a command, but to prove by the earnestness of others that your love also is genuine.

besides, the priesthood that collected tithe under the old cov are gone, the laws were???



Heb 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

So the ten Commandments and tithing that God gave were weak and unprofitable?
There is no talk here about the ten commandments or tithing being removed. This is about Christ as High Priest! God can not be pleased with this kind of witness.
Heb 7: 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

 

[Elder 111]

then if you think the literal laws are somehow transferred into the new cov,
there would have to be animal blood again, a temple, too.

You can't bring tithing ordinances as literal, without the literal temple priests, that they were given to.

Is it a law that a Christian must literally snip his son on the 8th day?

The change in the Covenant was not because of the ten or tithing. Heb8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[VictorC]

So the ten Commandments and tithing that God gave were weak and unprofitable?
There is no talk here about the ten commandments or tithing being removed.

We've already seen that this isn't true; God's disposition removed the entire covenant from Mount Sinai.

The Greek metathesis that is rendered as 'change' in Hebrews 7:12 shows a principle meaning of 'transferred from one location to another'. This same Greek term is used in Hebrews 12:27, where it "indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken".

The inspired author equated the first covenant with the Law, and the overall narrative addresses the 'change' consistently with the principle meaning of moving the Law's location, another way of indicating a change in jurisdiction:

• The first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

The animal sacrifices -burnt offerings + offerings for sin- are driven by the individual ordinances contained in the old covenant Law. The only way to end those sacrifices is to end the ordinances that drove them. That is the context surrounding the last bullet (v.10:9), and God's disposition was to end the entire first covenant those ordinances are found in.

Elder111 doesn't want to perceive a reason for the new covenant in the Blood of Christ. This is the reason for his wild claims.

 

[Frogster]

So the ten Commandments and tithing that God gave were weak and unprofitable?
There is no talk here about the ten commandments or tithing being removed. This is about Christ as High Priest! God can not be pleased with this kind of witness.
Heb 7: 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

but the tithe was for the priests, and that priestly order was annulled, you can't tithe to an annulled priesthood, or to a temple that is not here.

the 10 were abolishd too, but lets keep it on your tithe thing, for clarity on this thread.

 

[Frogster]

The change in the Covenant was not because of the ten or tithing. Heb8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

the old was abolished.





Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,


Hebrews 10:9
then he added, ‘See, I have come to do your will.’ He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross

 

[from scratch]

You're saying Abraham didn't tithe...... Hebrews 7 say Mel received tithes of Abraham. I'm not talking about according to the law on tithing, you are.
I'm reading and posting scriptures say Abraham gave tithe(s)


Heb 7:6

But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Did I say anything about 1Cor 16?

Tithe must be from your increase. What Abraham gave to Mel wasn't his property and therefore not a tithe from him. Abraham returned all the stolen property to whom it was taken from. There is no record of Abraham tithing his increase found in the Bible.

About 1 Cor 16, is this found within your post -
Did I say anything about 1Cor 16?

 

[from scratch]

The change in the Covenant was not because of the ten or tithing. Heb8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

In your post above you freely admit that jots and tittles of the law have changed and therefore the argument often posted about Mat 5:17-18 not being fulfilled is invalid.

 

[from scratch]

the old was abolished.





Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,


Hebrews 10:9
then he added, ‘See, I have come to do your will.’ He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross

I wish that these people would read the Bible.