Since we are not under the law, why do we still Tithe?

[Elder 111]

Now apply this to the law about tithing which doesn't apply to Christians that are under a free will system of giving.

Chapter and verse!

 

[Elder 111]

Not to mention that Jesus took the curse at the cross.... some want us to take back the curse of the Law yet again. We don't see mention of any curses under Grace anywhere it is only when you go back to the Law that curses pop up to haunt you.

If the law is a curse, then God gave a curse to men.
It is God who wrote it with His own hand, what kind of God is He that have cursed His people? Is Paul a liar too? Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[from scratch]

Chapter and verse!

No problem -

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Problem is you don't believe these passages and make them say something they don't. Both passages show the old covenant doesn't apply to new covenant participants.

 

[from scratch]

If the law is a curse, then God gave a curse to men.
It is God who wrote it with His own hand, what kind of God is He that have cursed His people? Is Paul a liar too? Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

That's right -

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[LarryP2]

Problem is you don't believe these passages and make them say something they don't. Both passages show the old covenant doesn't apply to new covenant participants.

So are you trying to say that you do not hold the Advanced Scripture-Sculpting Technology™®© in awe?

 

[from scratch]

So are you trying to say that you do not hold the Advanced Scripture-Sculpting Technology™®© in awe?

Yep I is!!!!

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by from scratch

Now apply this to the law about tithing which doesn't apply to Christians that are under a free will system of giving.
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Originally Posted by Elder 111

Chapter and verse!
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No problem -

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Problem is you don't believe these passages and make them say something they don't. Both passages show the old covenant doesn't apply to new covenant participants.

I do not see anything in here about tithing not being for christians.
I do not see the law abolished either. How is writing on the heart an abolition?

 

[Sophrosyne]

If the law is a curse, then God gave a curse to men.
It is God who wrote it with His own hand, what kind of God is He that have cursed His people? Is Paul a liar too? Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Bible says it is a curse in many places, Read in Deut 27:15 and on it shows that breaking the Law you are cursed and we see in another place in the Bible that NOBODY kept the Law which means the Law has everyone cursed as everyone is a lawbreaker. One cannot have the Law without being cursed by it because ALL break it.

Deuteronomy 27:16

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 ‘Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’


26 “See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: 27 the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am commanding you today; 28 and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, [s]by following other gods which you have not known.



The curse is NOT keeping the Law this includes cherry picking it as your own whim. If you are under the Law you better not break the fabric and menstral and cleanliness laws or you will be cursed for it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Deuteronomy 28:15 [ Consequences of Disobedience ] “But it shall come about, if you do not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

 

[Sophrosyne]

Deuteronomy 28:45 “So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Deuteronomy 29:20 The Lord shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the Lord and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Joshua 8:34 Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.

 

[VictorC]

I do not see anything in here about tithing not being for christians.

You never found anywhere the tithe was commanded of Christians. The burden of proof lies with you, since others have noted a vacuum absent of any such commandment.

I do not see the law abolished either. How is writing on the heart an abolition?

You don't see the former covenant being moved to another location, either. Hebrews 8:13 sees from the same passage quoted from Jeremiah indicating that the first covenant is obsolete, and not re-written anywhere else. You don't see anything the inspired authors wrote, because it isn't what you want to see.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Nehemiah 10:28-30

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Obligations of the Document

28 Now the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the gatekeepers, the singers, the temple servants and all those who had separated themselves from the peoples of the lands to the law of God, their wives, their sons and their daughters, all those who had knowledge and understanding, 29 are joining with their [a]kinsmen, their nobles, and are [b]taking on themselves a curse and an oath to walk in God’s law, which was given through Moses, God’s servant, and to keep and to observe all the commandments of [c]God our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes; 30 and that we will not give our daughters to the peoples of the land or take their daughters for our sons.

 

[VictorC]

You are on the wrong track as Paul was before conversion. Paul never said that the Ten commandments was abolished...

And just who did you think the author of the epistles to the Corinthian church was?

2 Corinthians 3 KJV:
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.​

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jeremiah 11:2-4

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

2 “Hear the words of this covenant, and speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem; 3 and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, “Cursed is the man who does not heed the words of this covenant 4 which I commanded your forefathers in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, ‘Listen to My voice, and [a]do according to all which I command you; so you shall be My people, and I will be your God,’

 

[Sophrosyne]

This is interesting.... sort of speaks to those who are in the flesh (works) vs those in the spirit

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the Lord, “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind And makes flesh his strength, And whose heart turns away from the Lord.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Daniel 9:11 Indeed all Israel has transgressed Your law and turned aside, not obeying Your voice; so the curse has been poured out on us, along with the oath which is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, for we have sinned against Him.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”

 

[Sophrosyne]

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”