Sin profits a man in this life. It’s not just an idea.
Your response indicates to me that you didn't even look up the passage. Interesting.
The temptation to excuse sin is not good. People are way too fat because they eat too much. It would be better to say the truth. Those who break their marriage do not say they are not saved nor backsliding. They say God understands.
Future sins are not forgiven. Would you tell your wife any future adultery she does is forgiven? What you don’t see is this.
1. If we sin, we need to confess and repent and he is faithful and just and will forgive us.
2. The whole point is relationship with God, not assurance of Heaven. John 17:3
3. Salvation is so that we become like Jesus.
4. Your theology is self focused. That is, it’s main point is to assure the self that Heaven is locked in no matter how you behave and that God pleasing behavior can be obtained by faith no matter how you actually treat others.
1 John 1:9 has to do with fellowship, not position. Becoming like Jesus is one of the benefits of salvation; but what salvation is, is that it is forgiveness of sins through faith in the blood of Christ. And you seem to me to be opposing yourself here; because you are rejecting this truth.
I never said that. I said your state of selflessness and euphoria over this won’t last. It will be tested and I would not have you expect perfection out of you. The christian life is not carried by joy.
My restoration has nothing to do with euphoria or joy. It has to do with repentance. Before, I was
truly self-focused. I was focused on my own behaviour and how I somehow needed to measure up to God's perfection in order to be pleasing to Him (to have righteousness). But the Lord showed me that being pleasing to Him doesn't have to do with my performance, but with faith in Him (Romans 4:3-5, Romans 4:11).
Does your wife agree that she is more easily deceived for emotional reasons?
I don't see how she has to in order for that scripture to be true.
Good but it’s really not the glue.
I believe eternal life is in knowing Him, the one true God. When i fail I ask forgiveness. I don’t comfort myself with “it’s already forgiven so no need to humble myself.”
And of course that is not what I am saying either. For in order to have fellowship with the Lord, we do need to humble ourselves and seek His face. But what if there is some sin that you have committed that you are unaware of? Are you forgiven even though you haven't confessed it? Or do you need to wrack your brain until you have discovered every sin that you have ever committed? What if you come down with memory problems before all your sin is confessed? In such a case, there might be sins that you haven't confessed that you are unable to remember. Is forgiveness impossible because you can't remember them? In my view, our position is secure in Christ, and we shall not come into condemnation (John 5:24). That word "shall" indicates it is an absolute promise.
No, salvation is by relationship. When Jesus tells the ones who felt deeply assured of their salvation based on their theology, go away, he says it’s because he doesn’t know them. No relationship. They called on the name of the Lord but were not saved.
That is impossible scripturally, because Romans 10:13 promises that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord
shall be saved.
Then there are the grace changers who theologically take the extravagant grace and turn it into a license to sin.
The point being that grace is extravagant and indeed also scandalous. It
would be a license to sin if being born again were not in the equation. Because being born again changes the heart so that the person doesn't want to sin: therefore if I don't want to sin, why would I use grace as a license to do so? I am dead to sin; how can I live any longer therein?
None of those verses say we cannot fall away. Jesus said that at a certain point MANY will fall away from the faith. None of those verses you quote contradict Jesus’ words. I know it’s scary but it true. There are those who fall away from the faith and are lost. Jesus warned us to take care it doesn’t happen to us.
Which was not in the course of our original discussion. Those verses say that certain people are predestinated to salvation. And I conclude that the elect cannot fall away; if they backslide they will return like the prodigal.
I'm unaware of any place where
Jesus said that many shall fall away from the faith. Do you have a scripture reference?
Too close to the “name that virtue, claim that virtue” doctrine you possess to be funny.
The scripture in question certainly wasn't naming a virtue. In fact, it was naming a sin.
Why don’t you just confess and repent of your future sins before God and man as necessary?? That’s the Biblical way.
I don't disregard 1 John 1:9 as regards my fellowship with the Lord. However, positionally, I am secure in Him. John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-30, Hebrews 13:5.
When YOU are like JESUS, you can praise yourself.
Or, when I am like Moses (to bring it back to the original topic on this point of the discussion). The point being that it was not a sin for Moses to commend himself, since Jesus, who was without sin, also later commended Himself.
The test is asking your ENEMIES if they see any sin in you. Jesus did. Have you? Until you do and they have no wrong doing on your part to report, you cannot.
I don't need to ask my enemies if they see any sin in me; I'm sure they would be the quickest ones to point it out.
I assure you, not every word you say is from Him or He even agrees with.
I didn't say it was; I said that when it is, it will surely come to pass.
The doctrine of future sins being forgiven He hates, for example. It is a very prideful doctrine assuring forgive without any confession or repentance at all.
He certainly does not hate this doctrine because He has given it to us in His word. And there
is a confession involved: a full-on confession that I am a sinner period, that covers all of my sin. In your way, you have to be constantly searching your heart for more sin and there is never any assurance that you are saved because there may be some sin that you have missed. But when the apostles ministered to the Thessalonicans,
it was with much assurance (1 Thessalonians 1:5 (kjv)). And also, in the way that I am speaking of, there is a confession of the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:9-10). And as He reveals my sin to me, I simply make course corrections but I do not need to confess my sin all over again (to be saved); because I have confessed my sin once and for all in that I have confessed that I am a sinner period.
The secret sins don’t bother any person. We’re talking about the sins that hurt God AND man. Are you completely free from all of these? The desire for all future sins to be already forgiven appeals totally to selfishness, for example.
It's not something I have ever necessarily desired; it is something that I
have. And secret sins are usually the last to go, because people are usually more concerned about what other people think than what God thinks.
Means the person cares nothing about how their future sins wound others. They only care that God forgives them. How selfish!!
How judgmental! (see Matthew 7:1-6, Luke 6:37, Romans 2:1-2, James 4:11-12). But really, the understanding that one is forgiven of future sins only belongs to the one who has been trained by the schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25). And also, it only belongs to those who have faith in Christ, who have been transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 5:5, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 12:1-2).
So are you free from the law to love God and man? You have to do either?
I already spoke of this (and also gave scriptural backup). There is no longer any condemnation from the outside, as coming from stone tablets; but there is a governing from the inside, as the law is written on the heart.
Very wise. But it’s actually easier to see if a person loves God or not in what they say. Atheists do good deeds too and look the same as believers at that point.
Not really.
How do you measure this? They say so? They are different (works) ?
God measures it by looking at the faith that is invisible and in the heart. Man measures it by what he sees a person do. Man can be wrong; but God can't be wrong.
No, you just need to do as John wrote and humble yourself asking forgiveness.
As though I haven't done this.
Your theology saves the pride leaving it fully in tact.
My only pride comes from knowing that I am completely humble.
In my theology, there’s a living walk with God whereby I ask forgiveness as needed. I no more need assurance it’s already done than I need my husband to already forgive all future wrongs. I talk with God. I don’t extract assurances out of Him for ways I know he acts because of his character. I do not need a promise He has already forgiven me. I know He will if I repent and ask. You avoid the repent and ask part. It is not good for you not those around you outside of the fact that he no where promises forgiveness of future sins before committed. All that you quote is man theology designed to appeal to the pride. Not good.
In my marriage, most sins are already forgiven that my wife may commit in the future (in the case of adultery, I would forgive her but not the male perpetrator). The fact that I love her and that it is a relationship means that positionally, she is my wife and that there is nothing she can do that is not already forgiven from the perspective of my love for her. When it comes to fellowship or relationship, there may be a rift in the relationship because of some sins. But she would still be my wife; and the relationship means that we would work through it.
In my theology I talk to God and he talks to me. Conviction of sin He does really well. I have no fear. I trust Him, not theology.
Forgiveness for past sin lasts.
What about those sins that you are unaware of that you haven't yet confessed? Are you saying that you are absolutely sure that you have confessed every sin that you have ever committed?
Only claiming by faith one is fully sanctified no matter how one actually behaves.
What you are missing is a living relationship with God. This is absent in your theology.
Again, judgmental. I know that I do have a living relationship with God. It is better than it has ever been.
By the which will we are sanctified by the offering of Jesus Christ once for all...For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. It is based on the one offering; otherwise, we would have to keep looking at ourselves to determine whether this verse is true in our lives or not. You talk about being self-focused. I see much of that in your theology, not in mine.
I’m talking obeying the living God, not man theology or man rules. No one who obeys the living Gods instructions to them comes close to this. The experience prevents it. Read the times the men in the Bible obeyed God. I doubt even Noah said he saved himself although he built the boat by hand.
And I'm talking about certain cults (like the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons) who teach their parishioners that the doing of good works is what will ultimately save them. These people do obey God's instructions, but for the wrong reasons.
If your heart is right, then the good works that you do are not in order to obtain ultimate salvation; rather they stem from the salvation that is already in you. Because you are thankful for your salvation and love the Lord as the result. Those who are forgiven much, also love much; but to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little (Luke 7:36-50).
I obey the Lord because I am forgiven much and therefore I love Him much. And while there is joy in my heart, my obedience is not based on that joy; it is based on the love that produces that joy (see Galatians 5:22-23). Since being delivered of secret sin, my joy level has not increased very greatly; but I know that God has done a work in me through the understanding that I am not under the law, am dead to the law, and am delivered from the law (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6); through the understanding that I am forgiven and the Lord will not impute sin to me (Romans 4:6-8, Romans 4:15, 1 John 3:4, Romans 5:13).
This does not mean that I am not at all motivated to do what is righteous. My motivation towards righteousness comes from my new nature, not the attempt to earn salvation before God, nor a fear of being rejected by God because of sinning.
And I find that I have more victory now than I did when I obeyed God out of fear. Now I know that you will not be able to take my word for that; but that rather, you require that I go and find one of my enemies so that they can come to this website and tell everyone how they see a difference in my life. I say to you that even though they may see the difference in my life, they would never testify to it for my sake; and if you don't understand why, then you don't understand the nature of enmity.