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Which time and where do you get that? When did Jesus "announce" some had their sins forgiven. Hope you are not talking about on the cross. Those guys were punished in 70 Ad for crucifying the Son of God. They were not forgiven. But for Jesus' part, he forgave them. That is also how we are to do. We forgive and leave justice to God.
And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven." Mark 2:5 RSV

And he said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." Luke 7:48 RSV
 
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"He rains (goodness) upon the just and the unjust."
"If any man lack wisdom let him ASK of God who gives.."

Notice he does not rain wisdom on the just and the unjust.
If I tell you I didn't go shopping at 10:00, you cannot assume that I DID go shopping at 11:00.
 
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Only for a machine. For people, there are other factors. All the christians I know say that not every prayer they prayed was answered in granting their request. I do not know of any honest ones who say everything they asked for they got without fail.
You can't assume something is true simply because someone didn't mention it.
 
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You can't assume something is true simply because someone didn't mention it.
This is the license to change what God said is truth. One can make up something and say that it is true since not being mentioned doesn't matter.
 
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And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven." Mark 2:5 RSV

And he said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." Luke 7:48 RSV
You are talking about forgiven sins, not acknowledging that sins were forgiven at some point in time. Jesus actively forgave sin because he was God and had that authority. And he demonstrated it by healing the man. He was not stating something that was, as you like to assume, but actively forgiving. God actively answers prayer, not when we pray answers come.
 
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This is the license to change what God said is truth. One can make up something and say that it is true since not being mentioned doesn't matter.
No, you can't make assumptions about something that nobody mentioned.
 
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You are talking about forgiven sins, not acknowledging that sins were forgiven at some point in time. Jesus actively forgave sin because he was God and had that authority. And he demonstrated it by healing the man. He was not stating something that was, as you like to assume, but actively forgiving. God actively answers prayer, not when we pray answers come.
It is true that Jesus is God is flesh, but he was directing our attention to God, the Father, who had forgiven sins.
 
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It is true that Jesus is God is flesh, but he was directing our attention to God, the Father, who had forgiven sins.
Not at all. He had the authority to forgive sin on the spot and was doing so AS HE SPOKE.
 
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No, you can't make assumptions about something that nobody mentioned.
Yes, you can. If a person has a stone in their hand and turns the hand over and opens the hand, I can assume the stone falls without them mentioning that it actually fell. This is called understanding or education.
 
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Not at all. He had the authority to forgive sin on the spot and was doing so AS HE SPOKE.
In that he was God in flesh. But God isn't really a human being.
 
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Yes, you can. If a person has a stone in their hand and turns the hand over and opens the hand, I can assume the stone falls without them mentioning that it actually fell. This is called understanding or education.
No you can't. The Bible didn't say there is a 7-11 on the corner, but I look out my window and see a 7-11 on the corner.
 
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In that he was God in flesh. But God isn't really a human being.
What does that have to do with the matter? He was forgiving the man's sins as God at that moment in time. He was not merely sharing information that God has in the past already forgiven the man. He hadn't. Jesus had that authority and was exercising it.
 
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No you can't. The Bible didn't say there is a 7-11 on the corner, but I look out my window and see a 7-11 on the corner.
Yes I can. I work in science and that is how knowledge and information is gained and used. It is also technology and many other fields of study. One does not need to observe the end to know that principles or known forces will cause the expectd outcome. If a man throws a stone, I do not need to see where it falls to know that it indeed has fallen. It is called gravity.
 
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Then that voice in your head should have told you never to put that in your profile. Jesus isn't about lying; that would have been one of the first things He might've brought to your attention.

Because your profile says that you live in the United States.
Jbf, you obviously do not have the joy of God speaking to you. But it would be better for you to ask God how one learns this than cast stones at those who know.
 
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Jesus didn't have a demon, because He was the Son of God; but you might. Certain things about the voice that you are hearing are inconsistent with the nature of the real Jesus.
No, and I don't either. But Jesus and I share the experience of believers in God calling us such. Again, that you do not know what it is to have the living God speak to you will not be improved by calling those who do demonized. Probably makes you feel good though. You won't when you hear what you missed in this life.
 
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No, and I don't either. But Jesus and I share the experience of believers in God calling us such.
Again, that you do not know what it is to have the living God speak to you will not be improved by calling those who do demonized. Probably makes you feel good though. You won't when you hear what you missed but could have enjoyed.

Doesn't mean a person is not a Christian or saved because they do not know the shepherds voice when He speaks. But it does mean they are really missing out on the very best of being a Christian. It beats having sins forgiven by a long shot and I know both. If a person only knows what it is to be forgiven of sin and never comes to know the One True God, they really missed out. Still saved, but missed out on the best.
 
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I'm not claiming to be perfect; what I am saying is that the Lord has done a work in me so that I have a hatred of sin and a love of righteousness. That is all.
Except others do not seem to see this. Pretty sure if we do not see it, God does not see it either. He really sees the heart of a person behind the words designed to fool people and us.
 
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What does that have to do with the matter? He was forgiving the man's sins as God at that moment in time. He was not merely sharing information that God has in the past already forgiven the man. He hadn't. Jesus had that authority and was exercising it.
Because part of what Jesus was doing was setting an example for us to follow, I believe.
 
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Because part of what Jesus was doing was setting an example for us to follow, I believe.
I don’t know any Christian who goes around actively forgive the sins of others who did not sin against them. So that was not the reason. He forgave those sins because he loved he man.
 
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I don’t know any Christian who goes around actively forgive the sins of others who did not sin against them. So that was not the reason. He forgave those sins because he loved he man.
But he knew the Father had forgiven their sins.
 
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