Sin!!!!!!

[Emmanuel18]

hey guyz does any one know anything about the issue of masturbtion whats your say on this??

 

[Arcwood]

touching yourself leads to further desire.
Desire leads to corrupt thinking, and impure ambitions.
It blinds you from the things that you aught to do instead.
It also inhibits large amounts of untamed and unwarranted hormones, which cause poor health.
It is disrespectful, and shameful,
in that it brings dishonor to your parents and to your siblings and friends.
Your future wife would be less pleased that you are so unchaste and undisciplined.
It brings about a poor over-all outlook of who you are.
and I think.. It makes your heart unclean so that your prayers would be quieter to the Lords ears because the Lord is Holy.

These are my opinions.

But God is forgiving.

 

[Emmanuel18]

thats a great advice mr arcwood

 

[Peripatetic]

The bible is silent on masturbation itself, but I believe it falls under the category of "disputable matters" as described in Romans 14. Paul tells us that some behaviors may or may not be sinful depending on the circumstances and the personal convictions of one's faith. One example Paul gives is eating meat, which is not sinful in general, but it can be if you are personally convicted that it is sinful, or if you eat meat in a way that causes someone else to stumble. Other circumstances could also make it sinful such as gluttony or stealing.

With respect to masturbation, the difficulty lies not in the act itself, but what accompanies it. Most of the "dispute" in this disputable matter is around the definition of lust. The Bible tells us that lust is sinful, but our culture has generalized the word lust to include many things that were not originally intended when the word was used in scripture. So it's hard to pin down. Some argue that masturbation can be done without any sexual thoughts, but others counter that it is still selfish. Some contend that circumstances matter. For example, it may be appropriate for a married man who is away from his wife (e.g. military deployment), but not as a replacement for love making. Some cite health issues with too much repression, while others cite health issues from too much stimulation.

It's a complex issue, with lots of nuances, but two recurring themes come to mind: 1) it is too often combined with degrading porn that is not in keeping with Christian values, and 2) it is one of the biggest sources of self-condemnation, excess guilt, and even self-loathing.

Like most tough questions and personal struggles, my advice is to take it day by day, seek guidance from the Holy Spirit, avoid extremes in either direction, and never let sexual issues cause you hate yourself or lose faith in God.

 

[Emmanuel18]

Wow thank you so much i luve thissite soo much.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
If it bothers your conscience, ask the Spirit for help.

 

[sadistmy]

can someone enjoys masturbation, doesnt hate themselves and yet still have faith in God ?

 

[Arcwood]

Yes. but remember you will be judged for loving what God hates.
this judgment will not likely be severe, but be assured
taking pleasure in what God hates leads to misfortunes in this life and the next.

As I wrote earlier. I did not claim it makes you hate yourself or makes you unhappy. It corrupts you.

 

[Emmanuel18]

You know the crazy thing.Is that i heard a pastor say its okay to touch he went on and said its just like a hobby..... Imagine

 

[AWorkInProgress]

hey guyz does any one know anything about the issue of masturbtion whats your say on this??

I throw it under the sin category. It's self gratification.

By Design
Now by design, our (burning) desires were meant to directed and handled by our spouse.

"Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." - Genesis 2:24 NKJV

Which is better
Paul states it is better to devote oneself to God and not be married, assuming God gave you that ability to do so. If the desires burned within us, Paul said better to marry.

"It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." - 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 NKJV

Better perspective
Now Paul goes on to give more detail about how we should view our bodies and desires.

"Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control." - 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 NKJV

Our desires are not our own, but are meant for our spouse. Or for singles for their future spouse.

Conclusion
Now with that perception you can see how I see masturbation is in the sin category. Thankfully the Lord forgives and understands our struggles. Yet the goal is save our desires for our spouses or the spouse that is to come. For whom our desires were intended for.

 

[sadistmy]

thanks for sharing, aworkinprogress. not sure if u believe me but it is an insightful post for me.

 

[J0SHUA]

Leave your dingy alone, get married and get freaky with your wife lol. Even if it wasn't, it wouldn't be beneficial. It causes unclear thinking and sometimes fatigue. You are much better off without it. Do you think it's something Jesus would do? I doubt it.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

can someone enjoys masturbation, doesnt hate themselves and yet still have faith in God ?

I know this is a hard subject to talk about, and I appreciate your honesty.

The big picture
Remember God, our Father in Heaven, and Jesus created this world and humanity. As such, they know what our lives 'should' have been like, for they designed it. The scriptures are God's words to us, to show us how to really live our lives to the fullest. Sometimes the corruption we grew up in on the surface seems more enjoyable then what God has to say.

Yet if you can hold on to your faith, and trust that God is looking out for your best interest. You will discover the abundant life that Jesus said he desired for us to have. With great love for you brother I have to share with you the truth. I will share where I am coming from at the end.

The truth in love
Matthew 5:27-28 NKJV
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The act we all know is evil, but God takes it a step further. He says that if you even play with it in your heart, you already standing on judgement.

About sinning, grace, and faith.

Romans 6:1-3 NKJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Where I am coming from
I was introduced to porn when I was young in my teens. When I first discovered it, I thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. The reality set in years later, when I realized how desperate I was to find 'material'. I do mean desperate. I given my testimony here. I help out in the men's forums.

After I became saved, the Lord had to deprogram me of what the world taught as love and sex. I had to learn the beauty of it's design through God's eyes. That it's a treasure that meant to be saved for the one God chose to be friend and spouse in this life. That becoming intimate, was the act of sharing a part of yourself and connection. That what I was doing was giving myself away and connecting with objects of lust. Which will never satisfy nor truly connect with. There is always that hollow feeling that follows after.

Please read my testimony, and meditate on my words. Especially on God's words I shared. Don't give yourself away.

 

[sadistmy]

aw man, when i click on the link, this is what i get.

"sadistmy, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation"

 

[AWorkInProgress]

aw man, when i click on the link, this is what i get.

"sadistmy, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation"

I don't know why you are having the problem. Well I will copy and paste it here. This is the long version that I gave to a guy struggling with God and porn addiction.


"In all honesty, I had no success on my own to break free from my addiction. I hated the addiction, how powerless I was to it's impulses. I delete everything on my hard drive, and later the day found myself re-downloading it all. I was just so sick of it, and how horrible I felt.

Only way I found victory over porn is been by the power of God, in the name of Jesus. I wish I could give you advice that could help you, but everything I learned is biblical based. I like to leave you my testimony, you can read it or not. I leave that decision to you.

My Testimony
I believed there was a God, but I wasn't sure it the God of the bible was the real one. People I listened to on the radio, that I looked up to, inspired me to see if there was any truth to it. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things, you know.

Being sincere, I took advantage of the opportunity to really sit down and read the bible for myself. It really started to hit me as I started to enter the New Testament. So full of wisdom that it wasn't fast reading like the Old Testament.

Long story short, in late January of 2007 I found myself facing a decision to make. I knew to be saved, I had to let Jesus in my heart. I was such a mess, and kept trying to make things right before I let him in, but I couldn't do it. Kept trying over and over again, but I just couldn't do it. Something whispered in my soul, 'this is why you need him'. It just clicked. There was literally nothing I could do on my own to help myself, but I needed to let Jesus into my heart broken heart. To just let him take over my messed up life.

That night I tossed and turned in bed, and I remember waking up the next morning. Like someone had taken this emotional heavy barbells off my shoulders, I felt light as a feather. I NEVER felt like that before. Later at a friends house I discovered I had eyes that did not lust. There was background picture of a naked cheer leader. As I noticed, I marveled at her beauty as a woman, but I did not lust. Like marveling at a statue Michelangelo created. Then it hit me. What in this girl's life brought her to a place where she give away the beauty that was only meant for her husband? How many men were using her body to fondle in who knows what else in their hearts? Sadly I was one of them(recognizing I was just as guilty).

I overcame porn for a month and half, which was unheard of for myself. As time moved on, the emotional barbell slowly dropped back on my shoulders and lust was looking any chance to bring me down. Finally after helping my Step Dad with moving project(we were exhausted and tired). He ripped into me over use of his computer and I just cracked. I ran out the door and drove home. Like I sinned intentionally to get back at all the hard work I been putting up with. Even waved my fist to the heavens.

After the anger subsided, just really reflected on that just happened. Like I had evidence that I could not refute. Like I could not deny what happened, I be lying if I did. Something spoke to me that I got a taste of what I could have, if I just hang in there. In all my life, no one has done for me what I just experienced. Realizing God is the only one truly looking out for me, in tears I asked for forgiveness.

From that point on Jesus became my teacher, and he would tackle one problem(dysfunction) at a time. My addiction was more than a chemical addiction, it was emotional. The Lord lead me into much healing of my heart from hurts I didn't even know I had. I had less of a need to escape from my pain, making it easier to learn how to fight against my addiction.

Today I not watched porn for over 4 years. 13 years of videos, pictures, sounds, & distorted sexual thinking do not plague me anymore. I give God the glory. I can't claim credit for any of it."

 

[Emmanuel18]

WOW..i wish i was you cause am almost giving up am such a sexual mess am dying spiritually.. and thank you for.the testimony.. GOD BLESS......