Sin & The Sodomites

[EnemyPartyII]

So what excuse did the other men used as focal points of Bible stories have when they did "bad things"? King David had an abundance of positive influences in his life. He was considered a man after God's own heart. So what drove him to engage in some rather unsavory behavior?

Don't you know anything? Anytime anyone in the Bible does anything Good, thats evidence of divine influence, any time anyone in the Bible does anything Bad, thats evidence of demonic influence

 

[Zecryphon]

So what excuse did the other men used as focal points of Bible stories have when they did "bad things"? King David had an abundance of positive influences in his life. He was considered a man after God's own heart. So what drove him to engage in some rather unsavory behavior?

The sinful nature he was born with, as well all are.

 

[katautumn]

Cool. So it's the general consensus that King David and Lot could continue to wallow in certain sins and still be favored by God? Does that mean a gay or lesbian could still be favored in God's sight, despite their "sinful nature"?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Cool. So it's the general consensus that King David and Lot could continue to wallow in certain sins and still be favored by God? Does that mean a gay or lesbian could still be favored in God's sight, despite their "sinful nature"?

If you would kindly note that King David repented and renounced his sin. That is the key to remaining in favour and also in relationship with God. A homosexual who claims Christ who does not repent and walk away from their sin is in broken relationship with God and our of favour with Him. You need to come for forgiveness. Once received, you walk away from a repeat performance of that sin. If it is difficult, then deliverance help is needed.

When one comes to Christ, "Behold, I make all things new!" Wallowing in one's old sinful nature is rather impossible unless one rejects Christ...


Ephesians 4:22-24
throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.

 

[D.W.Washburn]

If you would kindly note that King David repented and renounced his sin.

And yet he kept sleeping with Bathsheba...among others.

 

[katautumn]

And yet he kept sleeping with Bathsheba...among others.

I was about to say the same thing. Kudos.

 

[Floatingaxe]

So, David can't sleep with his wife? As a forgiven man he is certainly able. Bathsheba was no longer forbidden.

There is no similarity for the unrepentant and continuously sinning homosexual who says he is a Christian, yet doesn't renounce his sin and leave it at the cross. That would be hypocrisy of the first order. We all know what Jesus will do with them.

 

[KCKID]

So, Floatingaxe (By the way, I like your name and I love your logo) ...what do you think about the article in the OP? Do you think it has merit or do you still opt for the original translation? If the latter, would you give your reasons?

 

[katautumn]

So, David can't sleep with his wife? As a forgiven man he is certainly able. Bathsheba was no longer forbidden.

Under Judaic Law, Bathsheba could have been executed for having relations with King David. And considering the fact that David had her husband, Uriah, murdered in combat just so he could take Bathsheba for himself makes her sound pretty darn forbidden. But I suppose things like adultery, rape, murder and polygamy are acceptable so long as you continue to repent of them.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Under Judaic Law, Bathsheba could have been executed for having relations with King David. And considering the fact that David had her husband, Uriah, murdered in combat just so he could take Bathsheba for himself makes her sound pretty darn forbidden. But I suppose things like adultery, rape, murder and polygamy are acceptable so long as you continue to repent of them.

God is all about forgiveness and restoration, and especially with David, the man after God's own heart, his relationship with God is a demonstration of that kind of intimacy we can all have with God.

There is no need to stand in judgment of David's sins, as he was fully forgiven and restored. To stand in judgment of one whom God has nothing against is just wrong. You have your own sin to confess, if you wish to have a relationship anything like David's with the Lord.

 

[Floatingaxe]

So, Floatingaxe (By the way, I like your name and I love your logo) ...what do you think about the article in the OP? Do you think it has merit or do you still opt for the original translation? If the latter, would you give your reasons?

Flattery will get you nowhere, my dear...

However, the article goes to great lengths to prove what no one is arguing: that Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain were destroyed for their wickedness. Period. There was all manner of evil that aroused God's wrath, and the sexual immorality was a factor, obviously as it came out full force in the one encounter that we read about with the people of Sodom. It's like the truth that when you see one cockroach, that means you've got thousands. In the story of Lot, you see the entire city's men and young men were at his door! Scripture doesn't say some men--it says all men. The proper conclusion drawn is that homosexuality was rampant.

The article is straining to dispute sexual immorality of the homosexual ilk, but it cannot, for there was all kinds of sexual immorality going on, yet the homosexual variety is what we see demonstrated overtly. It cannot be denied, and all the articles put forth by whomever cannot do it.

 

[Maren]

So, David can't sleep with his wife? As a forgiven man he is certainly able. Bathsheba was no longer forbidden.

There is no similarity for the unrepentant and continuously sinning homosexual who says he is a Christian, yet doesn't renounce his sin and leave it at the cross. That would be hypocrisy of the first order. We all know what Jesus will do with them.

Good to see then that you acknowledge that marriage is not only one man and one woman. After all, if marriage is merely one man and one woman then David, by continuing to sleep with his wives, was committing adultery; particularly David sleeping with Bathsheba, the wife he took by murdering her husband.

 

[katautumn]

There is no need to stand in judgment of David's sins, as he was fully forgiven and restored. To stand in judgment of one whom God has nothing against is just wrong.

Irony overload. I seriously think my brain just imploded.

On a more personal note I'm simply curious, because I've read a lot of your posts here. Are you ever happy?

 

[KCKID]

Irony overload. I seriously think my brain just imploded.

On a more personal note I'm simply curious, because I've read a lot of your posts here. Are you ever happy?

At the least, FA DOES always come across as being very stern indeed.

 

[katautumn]

At the least, FA DOES always come across as being very stern indeed.

Well, that's why I was wondering. I mean no offense, FA, but before we had gender icons I thought you were a male, just because of the brash nature of your posts. I was just wondering if there was a sense of humor there.

 

[marksman315]

God is all about forgiveness and restoration, and especially with David, the man after God's own heart, his relationship with God is a demonstration of that kind of intimacy we can all have with God.

There is no need to stand in judgment of David's sins, as he was fully forgiven and restored. To stand in judgment of one whom God has nothing against is just wrong. You have your own sin to confess, if you wish to have a relationship anything like David's with the Lord.

Floatingaxe, I'm just adding to what you wrote. David definitely did some extremely horrible, sinful things, and this is an example to us all that if we truly repent then God will be with us again. It also shows that homosexuals are not beyond redemption because David did far worse things. The key is "true repentance".

 

[mattscot]

get a grip people, these debates sort of sadden me , the end of days is fast approaching when homosexuality is being defended by apparent christians, the world keeps teeling you that homosexuality is fine, your born with it etc etc.. and because your a friend of the world youre being seduced, the serpent's whispering in your ear 'its not true what god said you know' this homosexual acceptance will extend to paedophiles soon enough if their not one in the same already.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Good to see then that you acknowledge that marriage is not only one man and one woman. After all, if marriage is merely one man and one woman then David, by continuing to sleep with his wives, was committing adultery; particularly David sleeping with Bathsheba, the wife he took by murdering her husband.

Yes, marriage is one man and one woman. God never sanctioned polygamy.

 

[Floatingaxe]

get a grip people, these debates sort of sadden me , the end of days is fast approaching when homosexuality is being defended by apparent christians, the world keeps teeling you that homosexuality is fine, your born with it etc etc.. and because your a friend of the world youre being seduced, the serpent's whispering in your ear 'its not true what god said you know' this homosexual acceptance will extend to paedophiles soon enough if their not one in the same already.

Amen, brother. Satan is not omnipresent, yet his power is treated as if it is equal in power to that of Jesus Christ! It is not! He is only like a roaring and prowling lion seeking whom he MAY devour. He won't bother when one who is truly Christ's puts him in his place.

He may be a bully, but we have a big brother who can punch his lights out. A tough guy is only a tough guy until someone tougher comes along. The enemy always lays down in surrender and makes peace with one who is stronger.

Homosexuals are living according to the idea that Jesus Christ is powerless to save and to make us overcomers.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe, I'm just adding to what you wrote. David definitely did some extremely horrible, sinful things, and this is an example to us all that if we truly repent then God will be with us again. It also shows that homosexuals are not beyond redemption because David did far worse things. The key is "true repentance".

Absolutely, brother!