Sin is...

[Hammster]

You sir are a total waste of time.
When you cannot back up what you say you just say okay.

I'm done with you.

Okay. I didn't know it needed backing.

It could just be that I think your veiws are heretical and there's no point in continuing.

 

[JIMINZ]

Okay. I didn't know it needed backing.

It could just be that I think your veiws are heretical and there's no point in continuing.

No that's not it at all.
You make some unfounded claim, and then wont even have the decency to have a conversation with the people who have posted to your thread, you just sit back with your smug attitude, and make snide remarks, I guess you believe yourself to be sooooo correct in your beliefs you don't' have to to explain anything.

 

[Hammster]

No that's not it at all.
You make some unfounded claim, and then wont even have the decency to have a conversation with the people who have posted to your thread, you just sit back with your smug attitude, and make snide remarks, I guess you believe yourself to be sooooo correct in your beliefs you don't' have to to explain anything.

I have evidence that professing believers are not without sin. To me, it's not even worth discussing with folks that think otherwise, unless they are unbelievers that need the gospel.

 

[JIMINZ]

I have evidence that professing believers are not without sin. To me, it's not even worth discussing with folks that think otherwise, unless they are unbelievers that need the gospel.

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Produce it, don't just talk about it.

 

[Hammster]

.
Produce it, don't just talk about it.

The evidence?

No that's not it at all.
You make some unfounded claim, and then wont even have the decency to have a conversation with the people who have posted to your thread, you just sit back with your smug attitude, and make snide remarks, I guess you believe yourself to be sooooo correct in your beliefs you don't' have to to explain anything.

 

[JIMINZ]

The evidence?

YES

 

[Hammster]

YES

I provided it with your quote. That's the quote of a sinner.

 

[JIMINZ]

I provided it with your quote. That's the quote of a sinner.

nevermind

 

[Hammster]

nevermind

Okay.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I never said there was one. You need to stop assuming.

. You need to just say what's on your mind it would help a lot man... sometimes you gotta assume with you. If you don't believe he was sinless at least in the book of Job... then doesn't that imply you believed he was sinning?

 

[Hammster]

. You need to just say what's on your mind it would help a lot man... sometimes you gotta assume with you. If you don't believe he was sinless at least in the book of Job... then doesn't that imply you believed he was sinning?

I have a problem with folks that think Job was sinless. I don't have a problem with Job.

I think it was spelled out clearly.

 

[Blade]

Hmm.. I think we should seek study on.. "are we different now then those in the OT"? yes...very much so. See the NEEDED the law. We don't...meaning its written on our hearts. It was not with them. No matter WHO wanted GOD.. they didnt have the sweet sweet Holy Spirit in each of them we do.

I see you talked a tad on "righteousness". The lord show'd me a side I never seen. I think most know it but.. past and sins were always 24/7 getting to me. Short is.. I said I quit.. He then asked me "what is righteousness" I said its right standing with God. He then asked "how do you get righteousness?" I said by believing in Jesus.. RIGHT after I said that.. I couldnt stop crying..it was as if I could see and free.

I am NOT good with words for forgive me. So for me...had nothing to do with salvation (not saying its not) but knowing my how my Father sees me. Jesus wanted me to know and see how my Father sees me..not how I see me. HAHA I still had to open the bible and make sure that was written.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I think it was spelled out clearly.

if that was the case people wouldn't be questioning your answers all the time man... but nvm forget it

 

[Hammster]

if that was the case people wouldn't be questioning your answers all the time man... but nvm forget it

Okay. I figured it was because it didn't fit their paradigm.

 

[TheSeabass]

No, they don't. Christ's death does, though. And since He died for His sheep, He's going to continue to look after them.

Christ dying does not do away with the consequence of sins for the impenitent Christian.

 

[TheSeabass]

You keep using the word IMPENITENT do you know what the definition of that word actually is?

Not feeling regret about one's sin or sins;
not sorry:
unrepentant, hardened.

Your making it sound as though the Christian whose sin is not imputed to him is using this freedom from sin as a license to sin.

The word Impenitent denotes a Not Caring on the part of the Christian who sins, this is not so, otherwise the Christian in question, wouldn't be a Christian at all.

Christians do sin (1 John 1:7-10) yet the Christian must CONDITIONALLY repent of those sins to be forgiven of them. If the Christian is impenitent of those sins then he will face the consequence of sin: spiritual death. Therefore if the Christian can sin and be impenitent of that sin (not have to conditionally repent for forgiveness) yet still be saved then he has been given a license to sin or either sin no longer exists. Else how does he avoid facing the consequence of sin>spiritual death?


--Simply because a Christian sins does not in anyway prove he was never saved to begin with.
--If the Christian must repent of his sins to receive forgiveness then his salvation is CONDITIONAL upon repenting and therefore salvation is NOT unconditional as some claim


So what happens to the Christian that sins but does not repent of it?
Must he repent of sins or be lost?
Will he be saved though impenitent?

 

[Hammster]

Christ dying does not do away with the consequence of sins for the impenitent Christian.

Christ took the consequences of sin.

 

[Lulav]

Absolutely universal

“as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS "; "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-18‬ ‭NASB‬‬

If this were to be taken literally and without the knowledge of the place where it was written it might be believed this about everyone. However a quick look will show this was taken out of context.

The Psalms (14 and 53) where this came from both specify that that it is not Gods people that are being spoken of.

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

"THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,"

This is from Psalms 5, A prayer from King David, who is speaking of his enemies. Again the beginning tells us who is being spoken of.

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.

8Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.

9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.

12For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

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"THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."

1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:
16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.


Ps 37 tells us that there are righteous ones. As do many other passages.

28 For the LORD loves justice And does not forsake His godly ones; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked will be cut off. 29 The righteous will inherit the land And dwell in it forever. 30 The mouth of the righteous utters wisdom, And his tongue speaks justice.…

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi @Lulav, in the first three chapters of Romans, St. Paul is building a case (that culminates in Romans 3:23) about the condition of all who are outside of Christ, be they Jews or Greeks, so his use of these OT passages seems justified to me, as well a natural part of what he is describing/teaching us about ourselves (specifically, why ALL of us w/o exception, whether Jew or Greek, need a Savior).

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the point you are making however (I am posting blindly here), and I certainly apologize if that's true!

Yours and His,
David

Ephesians 2
1 You were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.​

 

[Hammster]

If this were to be taken literally and without the knowledge of the place where it was written it might be believed this about everyone. However a quick look will show this was taken out of context.

The Psalms (14 and 53) where this came from both specify that that it is not Gods people that are being spoken of.

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.




This is from Psalms 5, A prayer from King David, who is speaking of his enemies. Again the beginning tells us who is being spoken of.

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.

8Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.

9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.

12For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

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1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:
16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.


Ps 37 tells us that there are righteous ones. As do many other passages.

28 For the LORD loves justice And does not forsake His godly ones; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked will be cut off. 29 The righteous will inherit the land And dwell in it forever. 30 The mouth of the righteous utters wisdom, And his tongue speaks justice.…

Paul didn't write a reference paper where the hearers were to get out their bibles and look up the following verses. To deconstruct it would be to almost nullify his argument. I will trust him as an apostle to make his argument as written.