Sin is Transgression of the Law - 1 John 3:4

[Dahveed]

Amen - but the Law of Moses still says "do not take God's name in vain" ...

My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at the appointed time; Gen 17:21
Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. Gal 4:28

Because even for born again saints under the NEW Covenant "The law is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:6-12.

And you shall remember the Lord your God, for it is He who gives you power so that He may establish His covenant; Deut 8:18
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be shown to be from God; 2 Cor 4:7

"Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW" Rom 3:31

He has sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever: Holy and awesome is His name. Ps 111:9

"it is not the hearers of the law that are just before God but the doers of the LAW will be justified...

For Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Rom 10:4

on the day when according to my Gospel God will judge" Rom 2:13-16

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; 1 Corinthians 4:5 Mark 16:16

 

[BobRyan]

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.


In your post - you are employing a kind of double-speak where "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- that kind of double speak - falls apart right out of the gate.

To have "Circumcision is nothing" contrasted to the Commandments of God as that which MATTERs -- means that circumcision is not being included in the phrase "the Commandments of God" (Obvioulsy) in the context that Paul has for us in 1 Cor 7.


And because of Deut 5:22 where "He spoke the TEN commandments from the mountain directly to the people... and HE ADDED NO MORE" - there is a distinction made in both OT and NT (as Paul reminds us) - that the moral law of God "the Commandments of God" are what matters. And it is beyond question that it INCLUDES the TEN - and because of 1 Cor 7:19 does NOT include ceremonial features.

You are ignoring Bible detals in 1 Cor 7:19 and then employing a self-conflicted king of double speak where "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God"

As I stated above - you suggestion of the form "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- falls apart on its own.

What I am pointing to are the details you keep needing to avoid.

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Thank you for reminding us again of what it says.

Your argument is still failing -- do you have a response designed to rescue it?

Because you keep ignoring the detail I pointed to - and you appear to be unwilling to even quote it and respond to... so then "again..."

you suggestion of the form "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- falls apart on its own.

To have "Circumcision is nothing" contrasted to the Commandments of God as that which MATTERs" (which IS IN THE TEXT) -- means that circumcision is not being included in the phrase "the Commandments of God" (Obvioulsy) in the context that Paul has for us in 1 Cor 7.

As I just did 3 times??

Are we simply not supposed to notice that you refuse to address that point - stated 3 times so far?



I am pointing to "a detail" you keep needing to avoid.

So far you have never really identified what the commandments of God are that you think we should keep.

So then you do or do not actually read the posts?

Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

Seriously?

"And notice Deut 5:22 where "He spoke the TEN commandments from the mountain directly to the people... and HE ADDED NO MORE" - there is a distinction made in both OT and NT (as Paul reminds us) - that the moral law of God "the Commandments of God" are what matters. And it is beyond question that it INCLUDES the TEN - and because of 1 Cor 7:19 does NOT include ceremonial features."

God has given, over man's existence, many commandments that you do not recognize

Did you even read Deut 5:22???

 

[Bob S]

So then you do or do not actually read the posts?

Attacking me does not solve the problem and neither do assumptions.

Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

No one has said they were not.

Seriously?

"And notice Deut 5:22 where "He spoke the TEN commandments from the mountain directly to the people... and HE ADDED NO MORE" - there is a distinction made in both OT and NT (as Paul reminds us) - that the moral law of God "the Commandments of God" are what matters. And it is beyond question that it INCLUDES the TEN - and because of 1 Cor 7:19 does NOT include ceremonial features."

If you are going to hang your hat on not keeping commands found in the Book of the Law because of what is found in1Cor7:19 then why are you insisting we have to keep the ceremonial weekly Sabbath? Deut 5:22 merely states God added no more to the ten commandments. He added many more commands, many of which are of a morality nature. The greatest ones are:
Leviticus 19:18
“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6:5
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Did you even read Deut 5:22???

Many times, and I certainly did not conclude that God didn't give Israel any more instructions that dealt with moral issues. If you insist on believing the old covenant is the same as the new one then get with it.

 

[HIM]

For Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Rom 10:4

Dahveed where is this translation from please?

 

[Dahveed]

If you are going to hang your hat on not keeping commands found in the Book of the Law because of what is found in1Cor7:19 then why are you insisting we have to keep the ceremonial weekly Sabbath?

Remember that you were in bondage and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath [Heb 4:9]. Deut 5:15

Deut 5:22 merely states God added no more to the ten commandments. He added many more commands, many of which are of a morality nature. The greatest ones are:
Deuteronomy 6:5
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

The Lord delighted only in your fathers, to love them; and He chose their descendants after them, you above all peoples, as it is this day. Deuteronomy 10:15-17 I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high. Lev 26:13

Leviticus 19:18
“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Do not move your neighbor’s boundary stone set up by your predecessors in the inheritance you receive in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess; Deut 19:14 Let all the neighboring lands bring gifts to the One to be feared; Ps 76:11 I will plant them and not uproot them. Jer 24:6 Then they will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. Ezek 28:24

Many times, and I certainly did not conclude that God didn't give Israel any more instructions that dealt with moral issues. If you insist on believing the old covenant is the same as the new one then get with it.

As for all the wicked neighbors who seize the inheritance I gave my people Israel, I will uproot them; Jer 12:14 Matthew 15:13
They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. Jude 1:12

 

[Bob S]

Remember that you were in bondage and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath [Heb 4:9]. Deut 5:15

But Dalweed I am not an Israelite. God was speaking to the Israelite nation not to new covenant Christians, and furthermore God didn't call any other nation on Earth to observe a day. Most of the Earth's inhabitants never have even heard of Sabbath observance. Another thing, Jesus said He came to fulfill the law for the Jews. Not one jot could be removed from the law until Jesus accomplished His task. I ask you did Jesus fail to do what He came to do. If He didn't then Jews are not under the laws of the old covenant either.

The Lord delighted only in your fathers, to love them; and He chose their descendants after them, you above all peoples, as it is this day. Deuteronomy 10:15-17 I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high. Lev 26:13

As a Gentile I would not have been subject to what happened to the Israelites

Do not move your neighbor’s boundary stone set up by your predecessors in the inheritance you receive in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess; Deut 19:14 Let all the neighboring lands bring gifts to the One to be feared; Ps 76:11 I will plant them and not uproot them. Jer 24:6 Then they will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. Ezek 28:24

What do those verses have to do with anything relative to our discussion?

As for all the wicked neighbors who seize the inheritance I gave my people Israel, I will uproot them; Jer 12:14 Matthew 15:13
They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. Jude 1:12

Again, not relevant

 

[Dahveed]

But Dalweed I am not an Israelite.

You can call me Dave, and no one said otherwise.

God was speaking to the Israelite nation not to new covenant Christians,

It is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel...Romans 9:5-7

and furthermore God didn't call any other nation on Earth to observe a day.

That certainly didn't prevent Jews and SDAs although the reality is found in Christ.

Another thing, Jesus said He came to fulfill the law for the Jews. ... I ask you did Jesus fail to do what He came to do.

He obviously fulfilled the law for believing Jews. "Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” Luke 24:25-27 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; Rom 2:29

As a Gentile I would not have been subject to what happened to the Israelites

That all depends if you believe and are baptized into Christ or disbelieve. Mark 16:16
“The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone" 1 Peter 2:4-7

What do those verses have to do with anything relative to our discussion?

Knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance; Col 3:24

Again, not relevant

Tell it to the judge who is standing at the door. James 5:9 For all are alive unto Him. Luke 20:38
And He commanded us to preach and to testify that it is He [the Lord Jesus Christ] who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 10:41-44

Dahveed where is this translation from please?

NIV Their zeal is not based on knowledge, since they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Rom 10:2-4

Many teach, but not many been taught.

‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me. John 6:45
“This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has given them to Me [heirs with Christ].” John 6:62-65
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Eph 4:7

YOU have given us all things that pertain to life and godliness.

If anyone teaches otherwise they are conceited and understand nothing.
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed...for God has given to each of us a measure of faith. Rom 12:2-3

For the life that's been reborn
His love endures forever
From the rise to the setting son
His love endures forever
Sing praise
Forever You are faithful
Forever You are with us

Nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 8:39

 

[BobRyan]

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.


In your post - you are employing a kind of double-speak where "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- that kind of double speak - falls apart right out of the gate.

To have "Circumcision is nothing" contrasted to the Commandments of God as that which MATTERs -- means that circumcision is not being included in the phrase "the Commandments of God" (Obvioulsy) in the context that Paul has for us in 1 Cor 7.


And because of Deut 5:22 where "He spoke the TEN commandments from the mountain directly to the people... and HE ADDED NO MORE" - there is a distinction made in both OT and NT (as Paul reminds us) - that the moral law of God "the Commandments of God" are what matters. And it is beyond question that it INCLUDES the TEN - and because of 1 Cor 7:19 does NOT include ceremonial features.

You are ignoring Bible detals in 1 Cor 7:19 and then employing a self-conflicted king of double speak where "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God"

As I stated above - you suggestion of the form "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- falls apart on its own.

What I am pointing to are the details you keep needing to avoid.

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Thank you for reminding us again of what it says.

Your argument is still failing -- do you have a response designed to rescue it?

Because you keep ignoring the detail I pointed to - and you appear to be unwilling to even quote it and respond to... so then "again..."

you suggestion of the form "circumcision is the commandments of God and is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God" -- falls apart on its own.

To have "Circumcision is nothing" contrasted to the Commandments of God as that which MATTERs" (which IS IN THE TEXT) -- means that circumcision is not being included in the phrase "the Commandments of God" (Obvioulsy) in the context that Paul has for us in 1 Cor 7.

As I just did 3 times??

Are we simply not supposed to notice that you refuse to address that point - stated 3 times so far?



I am pointing to "a detail" you keep needing to avoid.

So far you have never really identified what the commandments of God are that you think we should keep.

So then you do or do not actually read the posts?

Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

Seriously?

"And notice Deut 5:22 where "He spoke the TEN commandments from the mountain directly to the people... and HE ADDED NO MORE" - there is a distinction made in both OT and NT (as Paul reminds us) - that the moral law of God "the Commandments of God" are what matters. And it is beyond question that it INCLUDES the TEN - and because of 1 Cor 7:19 does NOT include ceremonial features."

Attacking me does not solve the problem and neither do assumptions.

Well I just points to the thread from page 1 that has the answer to your false claim above.

If you are going to hang your hat on not keeping commands found in the Book of the Law

This is about you claiming you don't know that we all see Deut 5:22 indicating that the TEN are in fact included in the "Commandments of God".

Bob S said: "So far you have never really identified what the commandments of God are" -- you do see yourself saying that right?

because of what is found in1Cor7:19 then why are you insisting we have to keep the ceremonial weekly Sabbath?

There is no such thing as "ceremonial weekly Sabbath" -- Ex 20:8-11 specifies no ceremony nor does Gen 2:1-3 quoted in Ex 20:11.

Deut 5:22 merely states God added no more to the ten commandments.

Which means even you know that the TEN are included in what the Bible calls "The Commandments of God"

 

[Dahveed]

Which means even you know that the TEN are included in what the Bible calls "The Commandments of God"

"But when John beheld Jesus he told His mission. He said, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29)" FW 90.3​

Those who trust wholly in the righteousness of Christ, looking to Him in living faith, know the Spirit of Christ and are known of Christ.​

The believer reckons himself dead indeed unto sin and alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. We are saved by grace through our faith, and that not of ourselves; it is the gift of God. FW 91.1​

When Jesus was about to ascend on high, He said to His disciples. “I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:16, 17). FW 91.2​

Our Saviour declares that the world cannot receive the spirit of truth. They cannot discern the truth, for they discern not Christ, the Author of truth. Lukewarm, stonehearted teachers are not able to discern the preciousness of His righteousness; but they go about to establish their own righteousness." EGW, FW 91.3​

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But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 2 Cor 3:16
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. 2 Peter 1:1-3

 

[Bob S]

According to 2Cor3:6-11 if one trusts in the ten commandments rather than God's gift to mankind, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they are trusting in the ministry of death. They were there to condemn man; the Holy Spirit is here to guide us into salvation through Jesus Christ.

There is no such thing as "ceremonial weekly Sabbath" -- Ex 20:8-11 specifies no ceremony nor does Gen 2:1-3 quoted in Ex 20:11.

That is simply not true. All of the Sabbaths God gave to only Israel were ceremonial.

Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

They WERE the commandments of God to the Israelites. Nowhere does it indicate that the ten commandments
ARE His commandments to Gentile nations.

 

[Dahveed]

That is simply not true. All of the Sabbaths God gave to only Israel were ceremonial.

A Song for the Sabbath​

It is good to give thanks to the Lord,
And to sing praises to Your name, O Most High;
To declare Your lovingkindness in the morning, Ps 92:1-4
Every morning He brings His justice to light; He never fails; Zeph 3:5
Let us know, Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord. His going forth is established as the morning; Hosea 6:3
The Lord is my portion, I will trust in Him. Lam 3:22-24
For the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever. Isa 40:8
“I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mere mortals" Isa 51:12

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:
There is no such thing as "ceremonial weekly Sabbath" -- Ex 20:8-11 specifies no ceremony nor does Gen 2:1-3 quoted in Ex 20:11.

That is simply not true.

It is true for anyone who actually "reads" the texts I just posted.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:
Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

They WERE the commandments of God to the Israelites.

The are the "Commandments of God" the Law of God in Jer 31:31-34 written on the heart even by your own confession above - Jeremiah had to be including the TEN in the LAW written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

You shot your own argument in the foot.

Not only that but Christ also quotes from them in Matt 19 when HE says "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked 'which ones'... He quotes from the last six. He quotes exclusively from the scriptures... the LAW of Moses.

Or is it your claim that the NEW Covenant is "only to Israel and not for gentiles"????

 

[Yekcidmij]

BobRyan said:
Is it your claim that my comment about Deut 5:22 above makes it "unclear" as to whether the TEN are included in the "Commandments of God"??

The are the "Commandments of God" the Law of God in Jer 31:31-34 written on the heart even by your own confession above - Jeremiah had to be including the TEN in the LAW written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

You shot your own argument in the foot.

Not only that but Christ also quotes from them in Matt 19 when HE says "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked 'which ones'... He quotes from the last six. He quotes exclusively from the scriptures... the LAW of Moses.

Or is it your claim that the NEW Covenant is "only to Israel and not for gentiles"????

As long as "the Law" isn't limited to the "Decalogue." For example, when Jesus cites the Law for the greatest commandments, he quotes Lev 19 and Deut 6, neither from the 10 commandments. When Jesus justifies the resurrection from the Law, he doesn't cite from the 10 commandments.

Within the Law itself there are 3 sets of 10 commandments. The decalogue also seems to be embedded in Lev 19. It's not warranted to limit the law to the 10 commandments when neither the law itself, Jesus, nor other 2nd Temple interpreters do this. This isn't to downplay them, but only to say the Law is not simply the 10 commandments.

 

[Dahveed]

BobRyan said:
There is no such thing as "ceremonial weekly Sabbath" -- Ex 20:8-11 specifies no ceremony nor does Gen 2:1-3 quoted in Ex 20:11.

"I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers;" EGW, Early Writings, 32, 33.​

"What is the purpose of the blessing of God? “Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.” Acts 3:26.​

Now the Sabbath is designed for that very thing, because the Sabbath is the memorial of the power of God in Christ. And it is the power of God in Christ that saves from sin. So the Sabbath blessing is the blessing of being turned away from our iniquities as we are reminded of the great power of God in Jesus Christ to save from sin. That is to say, the Sabbath blessing is the blessing of sanctification. Can any one truly keep the Sabbath of our Lord Jesus Christ unless he is a converted person?-He cannot. It is only a converted person who can keep the Sabbath;" EGW, CAS 16.17​

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Bob, in your point of view, in the above article, was EGW referring to attending church on a given day or was she referring to the believers rest in Christ's full redemption?

For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge
of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4:6-7
Giving thanks unto the Father, which made us partakers in the kingdom of His Son in whom we have redemption.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created; Col 1:12-16
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 2 Peter 1:19

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[SabbathBlessings]

"I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers;" EGW, Early Writings, 32, 33.​

"What is the purpose of the sabbath blessing of God? “Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.” Acts 3:26.​

Now the Sabbath is designed for that very thing, because the Sabbath is the memorial of the power of God in Christ. And it is the power of God in Christ that saves from sin. So the Sabbath blessing is the blessing of being turned away from our iniquities as we are reminded of the great power of God in Jesus Christ to save from sin. That is to say, the Sabbath blessing is the blessing of sanctification. Can any one truly keep the Sabbath of our Lord Jesus Christ unless he is a converted person?-He cannot. It is only a converted person who can keep the Sabbath;" EGW, CAS 16.17​

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Bob, in your point of view, in the above article, was EGW referring to attending church on a given day or was she referring to the believers rest in Christ's full redemption?
Giving thanks unto the Father, which made us partakers in the kingdom of His Son in whom we have redemption.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created; Col 1:12-16

For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge
of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us. 2 Cor 4:6-7

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The Sabbath is much more than just attending church on Sabbath, while that is part of it, it goes much deeper, it is about being fully in submission to Christ. EGW in not saying we do not need to keep the Sabbath. There are two different things going on here- keeping the Sabbath holy- going to church is an example of that. We do not receive Christ rest by being in rebellion to Him, which means one is keeping the Sabbath. In Christ rests there is no rebellion, just full submission, which is why He pleas with us, today if we hear His voice..... don't harden our hearts in rebellion Psalms 95:7-8, Hebrews 3:15 we are called not to follow the same path of disobedience (as the Israelites) who did not enter into Christ's rest. Hebrews 4:11, Hebrews 4:6 They disobeyed a lot, but was singled out especially for breaking/profaning the Sabbath Eze 20:13, Eze 20:21 and the Sabbath (keeping) remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

 

[HIM]

NIV Their zeal is not based on knowledge, since they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Rom 10:2-4

NIV's zeal is not based on any knowledge in respect to that verse. They paraphrased there rather than translate. You might want to consider using another.

 

[Dahveed]

The Sabbath is much more than just attending church on Sabbath, while that is part of it, it goes much deeper, it is about being fully in submission to Christ. EGW in not saying we do not need to keep the Sabbath. There are two different things going on here- keeping the Sabbath holy- going to church is an example of that. We do not receive Christ rest by being in rebellion to Him, which means one is keeping the Sabbath. In Christ rests there is no rebellion, just full submission, which is why He pleas with us, today if we hear His voice..... don't harden our hearts in rebellion Psalms 95:7-8, Hebrews 3:15 we are called not to follow the same path of disobedience (as the Israelites) who did not enter into Christ's rest. Hebrews 4:11, Hebrews 4:6 They disobeyed a lot, but was singled out especially for breaking/profaning the Sabbath Eze 20:13, Eze 20:21 and the Sabbath (keeping) remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

Thank you for your response. So what you're saying is that unbelieving Jews were inclined to observe shadows and opposed the One it typified.

"For the Jews had agreed already that if anyone confessed that He was Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue."

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the culmination/fulfillment of the law for righteousness so that everyone who believes is made right with God. Rom 10:3-4

"The Jewish system was instituted to represent the death and mediatorial work of Christ. All those ceremonies had no meaning, and no virtue, only as they related to Christ, who was Himself the foundation [the cornerstone]. The Lord had made known to Moses and the prophets that the ceremonial system of sacrifices and the priesthood, of themselves, were not sufficient to secure the salvation of one soul. 7ABC 474.1​

The system of sacrificial offerings pointed to Christ. Through these, the patriarchs saw Christ, and believed in Him.—EGW, RH 872.​

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I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Isa 6:1 Ps 63:2

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Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah. Acts 2:36
Jesus is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. Acts 4:11-12

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you for your response. So what you're saying is that unbelieving Jews were inclined to observe shadows and opposed the One it typified. "For the Jews had agreed already that if anyone confessed that He was Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue."

"The Jewish system was instituted to represent the death and mediatorial work of Christ. All those ceremonies had no meaning, and no virtue, only as they related to Christ, who was Himself the foundation [the cornerstone]. The Lord had made known to Moses and the prophets that the ceremonial system of sacrifices and the priesthood, of themselves, were not sufficient to secure the salvation of one soul. 7ABC 474.1​

The system of sacrificial offerings pointed to Christ. Through these, the patriarchs saw Christ, and believed in Him.—EGW, RH 872.​

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I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Isa 6:1

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For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the culmination/fulfillment of the law for righteousness so that everyone who believes is made right with God. Rom 10:3-4

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Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah. Acts 2:36
Jesus is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. Acts 4:11-12

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything it points us back to Creation "Remember" and is one of God's eternal commandments that is in heaven, Revelation 11:19 heaven is not a shadow either. The post you are replying to has no mention of any ceremonies that pointed to Christ. Our obedience to Christ is not a ceremony, it is love. 1 John 5:3

 

[Dahveed]

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything it points us back to Creation "Remember" and is one of God's eternal commandments that is in heaven, Revelation 11:19 heaven is not a shadow either.

The covenant in Christ is the substance/reality of faith.
The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever...
God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant; Rev 11:15-19

The post you are replying to has no mention of any ceremonies that pointed to Christ. Our obedience to Christ is not a ceremony, it is love. 1 John 5:3

"The great truth that was to be kept before men, and imprinted upon mind and heart, was this, “Without shedding of blood is no remission."​

Christ died on the cross to give the death-stroke to Satan, and to take away the sin of every believing soul." —Manuscript 61, 1903.​

The victory gained at His death on Calvary broke forever the accusing power of Satan over [those subject to bondage]. —Manuscript 50, 1900.​

The Saviour uttered the sublime prediction, “Now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I shall be lifted up and draw all men unto Me."—Manuscript 165, 1899.​

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What then if you see that Son of man ascend up where he was before? The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. John 6:62-63
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He gave gifts to men.” Eph 4:7-8

NIV's zeal is not based on any knowledge in respect to that verse. They paraphrased there rather than translate. You might want to consider using another.

You can choose whatever version suits your palate, nevertheless Christ came to fulfill the law of the Spirit of life.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son...that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Rom 8:1-4
Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself." Luke 24:26-27 Matt 5:17