Sin is Sin All Sins Are Equal.

[LightHorseman]

A mature christian grounded in Gods word has experience and knowledge as well to pass on. I am charged as a disciple of Christ to spread the truth. you can certainly refuse to listen or pay attention if you dont like it or care about what I share. I care about what i am charged from God to do and it doesnt matter to me what people call me - say about me - whatever they want to do. They will not make me stop doing so and will not shut me up. You can choose to ignore me anytime you like or you can trash me - that choice is yours but it bears on me in no way whatever since its God and not you or anyone else that I answer to.

Lastly I havent told anyone how to discipline their teenagers.

Well, since it is God you answer to... how do you think He will feel about you judging and condemning people, and contributing to their feeling of non-acceptance?

I'd also like to ask, again, what makes you so sure that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one? as oposed to, say, mine?

 

[KCKID]

Suicide? That's their problem for being weak and sinful like everyone else outside of Christ. The truth is, they've gotten there too soon.

Such loving words from a compassionate heart.

Who is your God again . . .?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Such loving words from a compassionate heart.

Who is your God again . . .?

You cannot blame Christians for homosexuals committing suicide! They are unhappy people at best and withpout the strength and life of the Holy Spirit coursing through them, they are hopeless dead men walking.

That is why we come here to teach the truth.

 

[onemessiah]

You cannot blame Christians for homosexuals committing suicide! They are unhappy people at best and withpout the strength and life of the Holy Spirit coursing through them, they are hopeless dead men walking.

That is why we come here to teach the truth.

In all fairness, look at where the bigotry against them stems from...from religion (not just christians, either). It's an unfair discrimination against them that handicaps them in nearly all facets of life.

 

[onemessiah]

Suicide? That's their problem for being weak and sinful like everyone else outside of Christ. The truth is, they've gotten there too soon.

Now now, what would Jesus think of your condescending attitude? You claim to follow Jesus, so act like it.

If christianity is true, then that means you weren't any better than those "weak and sinful" people before you accepted Christ. That means without Christ, you aren't worth last night's dinner that I just flushed down the toilet. Jesus showed nothing but love and compassion. Where's yours?

 

[Nadiine]

Now now, what would Jesus think of your condescending attitude? You claim to follow Jesus, so act like it.

If christianity is true, then that means you weren't any better than those "weak and sinful" people before you accepted Christ. That means without Christ, you aren't worth last night's dinner that I just flushed down the toilet. Jesus showed nothing but love and compassion. Where's yours?

I came in late on this, but just a slight correction, Jesus did not only show love & compassion (towards people) - He also didn't compromise or water down His messages to suit the people who would turn on Him for it.

But we have to remember His harsh rebukes including at the moneychangers on the temple grounds where He got physically animated with a whip, overturning tables in anger & zeal.

Just to clarify that Jesus' nature wasn't all flower power & peace signs.

 

[Nadiine]

Well, since it is God you answer to... how do you think He will feel about you judging and condemning people, and contributing to their feeling of non-acceptance?

I'd also like to ask, again, what makes you so sure that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one? as oposed to, say, mine?

Jesus didn't accept sin either. He told the woman at the well, "Go and sin no more".

We condemn no one, WE ADMONISH PEOPLE TO REPENT AND TURN TO CHRIST instead of live in rebellion to God. If you call that condemning, then you must have a real issue with disciplining children - since discipline involves correction and punishment for disobedience!

I just love how people turn this to condemnation & hatred - do you accept pedophilia? Any behaviours you don't condone or like can be said the same of in condemnation or judgment against those you hate.
So be careful about your own judgments on others, namely Christians; becuz that's what they are. JUDGEMENTS.

ps. judging is encouraged by Christ - are you aware of that?
John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance,
but judge with righteous judgment.”

We are to use God's standards of what is righteous to judge what is right and wrong. We judge actions of people; not people in condemnation.
Sin is sin and we relay God's message as He calls us "Ambassadors" who carry His message.
It's hard to carry God's message when you have people claiming that you can't carry the message since it's condemning people & judging them.
2 Tim 4
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

You also need to learn the 2 types of judging in scripture - becuz if you're claiming ALL judging is wrong, it makes you a hypocrite becuz you do it yourself in any debate like this as you DISAGREE and argue against our statements & beliefs.
I could easily say you Christian bash by the same measure you use on us about gays.

We disagree with homosexuality like you disagree with our conservative Christian values and fight them all the way. (mite want to look into the beams & logs in the eye passage)

 

[Texas Lynn]

Anyone who spends the time trying to steer people toward the truth of Gods word certainly does not hate.

Since "trying to steer people toward the truth of Gods word" is most definitely not what the gay-bashers are doing here, if to do so is not to hate, it is an irrelevancy, because active hatred for LGBTs is being concretely and agressively expressed by the religious right minions.

There is absolutely no reason at all for a well-meaning heterosexual to have memorized the citations of Bible verses which seemingly attack LGBTs EXCEPT to provide himself or herself with a vehicle for their hatred. "By their fruits ye shall know them" and the hatemongers reveal themselves clearly with their zeroing in on these misinterpreted verses cited out of malice while ignoring the much more plentiful Biblical admonitions to act out of love. There is no love at all in these angry souls-they want a 'god' as meanspirited as they are, yet none of that sort exists except in their blackened hearts.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Teenagers think their parents hate them too for trying to help, nurture and protect them also. Sometimes love is very tough.

Parents have authority over teenagers. Any attempts by the gay-bashers to attain 'authority' over LGBT persons is entirely illegitimate. These individuals have no authority whatsoever to engage in the unfortunate acts they do.

 

[Nadiine]

Parents have authority over teenagers. Any attempts by the gay-bashers to attain 'authority' over LGBT persons is entirely illegitimate. These individuals have no authority whatsoever to engage in the unfortunate acts they do.

how about attacks on Christians by CHRISTIAN bashers???

I suppose those are just fine becuz those people are "intolerant" lol

Pot calling the kettle black - if gay bashing includes any who disagree with the lifestyle, then surely there are MANY Conservative Christian bashers here.

I'd also add that it's NOT only Christians who are opposed to the sin of homosexuality, it's many secular non religious people and other religions as well. There's a reason for the majority view thruout the world and historically.

Until you guys speak the truth on our views, we'll continue correcting you. One day somebody will look up the term hypocrite and get a revelation.

 

[Nadiine]

Since "trying to steer people toward the truth of Gods word" is most definitely not what the gay-bashers are doing here, if to do so is not to hate, it is an irrelevancy, because active hatred for LGBTs is being concretely and agressively expressed by the religious right minions.

There is absolutely no reason at all for a well-meaning heterosexual to have memorized the citations of Bible verses which seemingly attack LGBTs EXCEPT to provide himself or herself with a vehicle for their hatred. "By their fruits ye shall know them" and the hatemongers reveal themselves clearly with their zeroing in on these misinterpreted verses cited out of malice while ignoring the much more plentiful Biblical admonitions to act out of love. There is no love at all in these angry souls-they want a 'god' as meanspirited as they are, yet none of that sort exists except in their blackened hearts.

Well I guess Moses & Paul were "gay bashers" --- both were sent by God to reveal God's teachings & truths in writing.

Now go look up hypocrisy and see if Christian bashing doesn't fall into the same category as Gay BASHING

(it mite be found under conservaphobia)

 

[Angel4Truth]

Since "trying to steer people toward the truth of Gods word" is most definitely not what the gay-bashers are doing here, if to do so is not to hate, it is an irrelevancy, because active hatred for LGBTs is being concretely and agressively expressed by the religious right minions.

If you can call anything ive said and done in this thread hate toward you or anyone else - then i can see where one who in entrenched in this lifestyle could become severely depressed - not at actual hate or wrong toward them but at the lack of others being acceptive of sin only and they obviously receive any advice to be hateful. In fact if anything said by me in this thread could be considered hate in any way - then the person who thinks this must be extremely unable to accept any criticism at all in any manner and on any portion of themselves. They obviously veiw the bible as hostile as well most likely since it holds up a mirror to sin.

As far as the minion comment again as ive told you before if you can make yourself feel better by insults toward me knock yourself out and have a nice day. I care about your well being.

There is absolutely no reason at all for a well-meaning heterosexual to have memorized the citations of Bible verses which seemingly attack LGBTs EXCEPT to provide himself or herself with a vehicle for their hatred.

Of course because its just inconceivable to believe that the well meaning heterosexual is a mature christian who have memorised countless scriptures on a wide variety of issues and who shares them on a wide variety of issues facing those in the church. It just has to be hate.

"By their fruits ye shall know them" and the hatemongers reveal themselves clearly with their zeroing in on these misinterpreted verses cited out of malice while ignoring the much more plentiful Biblical admonitions to act out of love.

Indeed. Your posts come across loud and clear.

There is no love at all in these angry souls-they want a 'god' as meanspirited as they are, yet none of that sort exists except in their blackened hearts.

Im very sorry you feel this way. I will pray for discernment for you.

Parents have authority over teenagers. Any attempts by the gay-bashers to attain 'authority' over LGBT persons is entirely illegitimate.

Bashing is a very unfortunate term to use toward anyone taking the time to care about your soul.

Its simply not happening nearly as often or in the manner claimed (if its happening at all when claimed )and is cheap proganda imo to keep throwing out the term when its not happening in order to create false sympathy to allow for sin.

One who is given to victim mentality can always find some horror being done to them even when none exits.

These individuals have no authority whatsoever to engage in the unfortunate acts they do.

Neither does God give authority to teach others to sin or that sin is a ok with Him.

 

[onemessiah]

I came in late on this, but just a slight correction, Jesus did not only show love & compassion (towards people) - He also didn't compromise or water down His messages to suit the people who would turn on Him for it.

But we have to remember His harsh rebukes including at the moneychangers on the temple grounds where He got physically animated with a whip, overturning tables in anger & zeal.

Just to clarify that Jesus' nature wasn't all flower power & peace signs.

Sure, he didn't water down his message. He came pretty straight with it. He also never said a word about homosexuals, and the bottom line is that he was compassionate and loving, not a vindictive and condescending know-it-all.
All I was saying, if you claim to follow Jesus, then follow Jesus all the way. Don't recite his words, live his words. I don't see that happening in this forum, and in this thread in particular (there are a few exceptions to that, and ironically some of them aren't even christians, or they're the christians getting picked on due to the topic of the thread).

 

[onemessiah]

Well I guess Moses & Paul were "gay bashers" --- both were sent by God to reveal God's teachings & truths in writing.

Now go look up hypocrisy and see if Christian bashing doesn't fall into the same category as Gay BASHING

(it mite be found under conservaphobia)

If the current translation of the English bible is indeed correct, then the entire bible could easily be considered as gay bashing. What's your point?

 

[onemessiah]

]I'd also add that it's NOT only Christians who are opposed to the sin of homosexuality, it's many secular non religious people and other religions as well. There's a reason for the majority view thruout the world and historically.

Yeah, sure....I would LOVE to see your evidence that shows that the majority of secular people believe homosexuality is a sin.

First of all that's idiotic because secular people don't believe in the concept of "sin", secondly the only secular people who oppose homosexuality were either raised by religious zealots, or are backwoods people who simply don't know any better or are just simply ignorant to the facts of sexuality.
There are religions that renounce homosexuality, and there are others that embrace it. So what if other people agree with you? A bunch of people believing a disgraceful, trashy idea doesn't change the fact that it is a disgraceful, trashy idea.
At any rate I am just dying to see you back this claim up that the majority of the secular world opposes gays. Show us a recent study proving that. If you can.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Sure, he didn't water down his message. He came pretty straight with it. He also never said a word about homosexuals, and the bottom line is that he was compassionate and loving, not a vindictive and condescending know-it-all.

Jesus clearly defines marriage in Matthew Chapter 19. No need to tell people what marriage isnt when you tell them what it is or to keep telling people what sin is either when He clearly said the law had not passed away.

The law was given for the knowledge of sin and declares us all guilty before god. Homosexual relations are sin. If one is not repentant of it - they are still in that sin.

As to your bolded comment - Its hard to fathom with comments like that how anyone would be able to accuse anyone of bashing anything.

 

[BigBadWlf]

how about attacks on Christians by CHRISTIAN bashers???

I suppose those are just fine becuz those people are "intolerant" lol

Pot calling the kettle black - if gay bashing includes any who disagree with the lifestyle, then surely there are MANY Conservative Christian bashers here.

I was unaware that there were groups trying to amend the constitution to deny Christians equal rights and protections under the law

I was unaware that Christian school children were in danger of being murdered by their peers

I was unaware that there were teachers and educators supporting attacks on Christian students

I was unaware that there were nation wide groups spreading lies about Christians

I was unaware that the military would court marshaled and dishonorably discharge Christians if they publicly admitted they were or if a fellow soldier accused them of being Christian.

I was unaware that Christian were denied housing in this country just because of their religion

I was unaware that Christians were denied employment in this country just because of their religion

I was unaware that Christians were denied the adoption of a child just because of their religion


Please do us all a great favor and list all the many many ways Christians are being discriminated against in this country
Share with us just how oppressed you personally are and how often you are in physical danger because of your religion

 

[onemessiah]

As to your bolded comment - Its hard to fathom with comments like that how anyone would be able to accuse anyone of bashing anything.

Hey, she's the high and mighty holy roller and we're merely (in her words) "a weak and sinful sinner", remember? Do you expect any better from us?

Oh wait, reality just struck! I just realized something! When someone is blatantly ignorant to others, and you point that out, that doesn't mean that you're bashing them, it means you pointed out what they are doing.
Or if you don't like that explanation, I'll just use the old standby- The truth offends, as the bible says.

Bashing implies unfair accusations or prejudices.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Hey, she's the high and mighty holy roller and we're merely (in her words) "a weak and sinful sinner", remember? Do you expect any better from us?

Oh wait, reality just struck! I just realized something! When someone is blatantly ignorant to others, and you point that out, that doesn't mean that you're bashing them, it means you pointed out what they are doing.
Or if you don't like that explanation, I'll just use the old standby- The truth offends, as the bible says.

Bashing implies unfair accusations or prejudices.

Hey if you feel good personally attacking people like I told lynn, then have a nice day. I am all for making someone feel better about themselves and if thats what it takes so be it.

Remember though as Jesus said - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I'd also add that it's NOT only Christians who are opposed to the sin of homosexuality, it's many secular non religious people and other religions as well. There's a reason for the majority view thruout the world and historically.

And we all know that as long as the majority approves discrimination and prejudice are good things.
This is why slavery was a good thing…because the majority approved of it
This is why segregation was a good thing…because the majority approved of it
This is why laws against interracial marriage were good things…because the majority approved of it
This is why Japanese interment camps were a good thing…because the majority approved of it
This is why Nazi death camps were a good thing…because the majority of those nice Germans approved of it
This is why removing native American Children from their parents and putting them in orphanages was a good thing…because the majority approved of it
This is why sterilizing and euthenaization of “defective” was a good thing…because the majority approved of it


After all the majority is NEVER wrong

Until you guys speak the truth on our views, we'll continue correcting you. One day somebody will look up the term hypocrite and get a revelation.

The truth like homosexuals have shorter life expectancy than heterosexuals? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups.
The truth like homosexuals molest children? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals already have equal rights? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals want special rights? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals carry disease? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals recruit? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals can change sexual orientation? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups
The truth like homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals? Oh wait…that is a lie told by numerous Christian groups

Just what “truth” are you talking about here?