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You are still preaching salvation by works and that is a no go. Eph 2:8-9Doing the works of the Law of Moses cannot help us to become saved or help us to inherit eternal life.
Doing the good works of the Law of Christ 1 Corinthians 9:21 with the help of God keep us saved because these good works prove that we are Jesus' true followers and so these good works help to make us worthy to be approved to inherit eternal life after we die. Therefore a Christian who does not do the good works that he is required by the Father to do will not inherit eternal life. 1 Timothy 4:16, 1 Timothy 2:15
Jude 1:20-23
But you, beloved, build yourselves up on your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; 21 keep yourselves in the love of God; wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And convince some, who doubt; 23 save some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. rsv
First, Jesus saves us as His gift to us and by this salvation we become His disciples. He saves us by removing Adam's sin from our souls and by removing from our souls all our own sins that we have done in the past.
However, we must then continue in our salvation by doing the good works that the Father in heaven prepared for us to do. These good works are commanded and not suggested. And, if we do the Father's will (continue to obey Jesus' commandments and do the good works that He has prepared for us to do) until we die, Jesus will then approve us worthy to inherit eternal life.
Ephesians 2:8-10After we die, we each will be judged either worthy to inherit eternal life or unworthy to inherit eternal life and this will be determined according to each person's own works. We will not be judged on whether we trusted Jesus to save us. Jesus will save the righteous (good fruit producers) and grant them eternal life in heaven, but He will not save the unrighteous (evil fruit producers or non-fruit producers) and so they will go to their own appointed place in hell.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing (we could not possibly ever atone for Adam's sin, but Jesus did), it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works (of the Law of Moses or our own righteous works), lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should (are commanded) walk in them (to do). rsv
We were created to do good works while we are on earth so that we can be happy with God in heaven after we die. A true Christian, with the help of God, proves himself worthy to inherit eternal life by doing good works and producing good fruit.
Revelation 3:3-5
Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent. If you will not awake, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come upon you. 4 Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments (sinned against me); and they shall walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who conquers shall be clad thus in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the book of life; I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. rsv
Acts 26:20
but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. rsv
Acts 14:22
strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith (in obedience to Jesus' commandments), and saying that through many tribulations (trials/tests) we must enter the kingdom of God. rsv
Romans 11:22
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen (those who have become disobedient), but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness (provided you continue in obedience to His commandments); otherwise you too will be cut off (from the grace of God). rsv
Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed. rsv
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to apply themselves to good deeds, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not to be unfruitful. rsv
Matthew 3:10
Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree (person) therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire (of hell).
Matthew 7:20-2
Thus you will know them (all people. whether righteous or unrighteous) by their fruits.
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ 24 “Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.”
John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. rsv
1 Peter 1:17
And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile.
Matthew 25:31-46
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those (sheep) at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those (goats) at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you (goats) did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they (goats) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous (sheep) into eternal life.” rsv
James 2:24
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. rsv
I love what Derwin Gray says. He says that basically (I'm paraphrasing) The awe factor of who Jesus is and what he has done produces passion which leads to obedience.
Our physical lives should be a drawing card to the lost, not a trump card.Jesus will be the judge.
I don't think it's possible to prove that one has faith, but observing how one lives -- their "works" -- should give people a pretty good idea.
I don't live in fear, but I fear God.
Cornelius is a good example of a person who feared God.
Acts 10:1-2
At Caesare′a there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, 2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms liberally to the people, and prayed constantly to God. rsv
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell. rsv
I examine my conscience daily to determine if I am still in the faith/obeying God's commandments. I ask forgiveness and repent of all my sins daily. I strive to obey Jesus' commandments daily because I desire to inherit eternal life after I die.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are holding to your faith (obeying Jesus' commandments). Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test (of obedience to Jesus' commandments))! rsv
Luke 18:18-20
And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” rsv
Matthew 10:37-38
He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. rsv
Luke 9:23
And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. rsv
Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life (eternal life), and those who find it are few. rsv
Jesus Christ (His Holy Spirit) lives only in the people who obey His commandments. The Holy Spirit does not live in the people who do not obey His commandments.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? rsv
Philippians 2:8
And being found in human form he (Jesus Christ) humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. rsv
Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him.” rsv
John 14:21-24
He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word (commandments), and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me. rsv
Matthew 13:40-42
Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41 The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. rsv
Luke 13:23-27
And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the householder has risen up and shut the door, you will begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ He will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity (evildoers)!’ rsv
Many, many Christians believe that Jesus will save them and grant them eternal life no matter what they do. These Christians are deceiving themselves. We all shall reap what we sow.
James 1:22
But be doers of the word (live in obedience to Jesus' commandments) , and not hearers only (believing that Jesus will save you no matter what you do), deceiving yourselves. rsv
Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh (he who disobeys Jesus' commandments) will from the flesh reap corruption (be condemned to hell); but he who sows to the Spirit (he who obeys Jesus' commandments) will from the Spirit reap eternal life (be in heaven with God forever). rsv
These verses show nothing before the Old Covenant was established.
I need a verse that shows BEFORE the Old Covenant. That is what you said, right?
Why do people then allocate for people proving that they are Christ's on earth based on their deeds when Christ says it is by faith? Who can prove that they have faith? How would that be proven?
Ifin ya say so, it jus ain't makin me a believer.
bugkiller
You are still preaching salvation by works and that is a no go. Eph 2:8-9
bugkiller
There is nothing quite like having one's own doctrine then finding various out-of-context verses to prove it (with italic, bold, and large font to prove it.) The only trouble is... you're wrong. All your sermonizing won't change the fact that we are loved by God and have no reason to fear him.
If you want to tremble before a father who loves us, I feel sorry for you. Read the parable of the prodigal son to learn about the father's attitude. Then read John 3:16.
You sure are trying hard to prove salvation is acquired and maintained with works.Making you a believer is not in my job description.
I do not ignore Eph 2:10. I have it in proper perspective with other passages. So let's swap verses.
Why do you ignore Ephesians 2:10?
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. rsv
Jesus saves us so that we can then do what we were created to do (the good works that were prepared by God for us to do) and if we do these things until we die, we will be approved to inherit eternal life after we die.
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. rsv
Matthew 7:21-24
Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ 24 “Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock;
I think you should get a dictionary and consider all the definitions of fear.I've read them many times. I've also read the following Scripture passages many times.
Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; rsv
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell. rsv
1 Peter 1:17
And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile. rsv
1 Peter 4:17-19
For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And
“If the righteous man is scarcely saved,
where will the impious and sinner appear?”
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will do right and entrust their souls to a faithful Creator. rsv
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering— 6 since indeed God deems it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant rest with us to you who are afflicted, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at in all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. rsv
I don't think most of us know people well enough to know. Maybe people we are fairly close to.Usually, we can see for ourselves if people have faith in Jesus Christ. The do His gospel. Luke 10:27
We can usually know Jesus' followers by their fruits, deeds, works. We can usually know Jesus' enemies by their fruits, deeds, works. However, God always knows for certain which people have faith/obey Him and which do not. Romans 2:16
Matthew 7:15-27
5 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
Concerning Self-Deception
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’
Hearers and Doers
24 “Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.” rsv
I don't think most of us know people well enough to know. Maybe people we are fairly close to.
It's like so many preachers who have fallen to sexual and other sins and people don't believe it because they 'think' they know them although they've never met them in person or spent any time with them.
People think they know, but that is why people put on their Sunday face, to impress all the people that are going to judge them initially because they think they know.
That is why Christianity becomes people not being who or what they are, but trying to impress mankind, rather than God.
I recommend reading the Bible and building your realtionship with Jesus Christ who is the ONLY way, truth and the life.Well, so much for that religion of hypocrites and liars. Do you recommend a faith other than Christianity?
I don't think most of us know people well enough to know. Maybe people we are fairly close to.
It's like so many preachers who have fallen to sexual and other sins and people don't believe it because they 'think' they know them although they've never met them in person or spent any time with them.
People think they know, but that is why people put on their Sunday face, to impress all the people that are going to judge them initially because they think they know.
That is why Christianity becomes people not being who or what they are, but trying to impress mankind, rather than God.
I really can't recommend what is called church these days. As pointed out it has become a circle in which to impress others and usually with a false face.Well, so much for that religion of hypocrites and liars. Do you recommend a faith other than Christianity?
I really can't recommend what is called church these days. As pointed out it has become a circle in which to impress others and usually with a false face.
Lol. You are the one saying you can tell who is a Christian and who is not.Comparing this post with the one that you just made, I can't figure out what you're trying to say. You say that "People think they know, but that is why people put on their Sunday face, to impress all the people that are going to judge them initially because they think they know. That is why Christianity becomes people not being who or what they are, but trying to impress mankind, rather than God" and "People think they know, but that is why people put on their Sunday face, to impress all the people that are going to judge them initially because they think they know" and "That is why Christianity becomes people not being who or what they are, but trying to impress mankind, rather than God".
After that you say "I recommend reading the Bible and building your relationship with Jesus Christ who is the ONLY way, truth and the life" and "He is the One who loves you more than you love yourself (and we humans love ourselves a lot). The beauty is in the relationship, the daily walk WITH God and not just a church attendance so God doesn't throw us into hell. [Really??] There is a love aspect that is the true way."
Which one is it? The terrible hypocrisy and negativity of phony Christians or the loving relationship with God and Christ?
Lol. You are the one saying you can tell who is a Christian and who is not.
I am saying that it is people who think they know other people that concentrate on everyone around them and the other people, whether the other person's walk with God is right, instead of concentrating on themselves.
You have no idea what my relationship with God is and you have proved your own point in that you are a terrible judge of who is a Christian telling me to find Christ.
Thank you for proving my point that your inital judgement is many times wrong.
Work on yourself and God and I will work on myself and God.
By one post you profess to know me. lol. Get that plank out of your own eye and then, only then after your plank is gone, help me with my tiny, tiny sliver. (check out God's Word for His opinion on the plank and the sliver, not my words)
Start a conversation with me when you my friend are ready.
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