Sin can not take away your salvation.

[lori milne]

To everyone: Yes, the Bible says God will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we are able to handle. But for me it doesn't seem be true. Now, I am glad that some Christians on here are sinless. I have read so many posts that basically claim they no longer have sin. Congratulations to them. They've made it. This going to make some people uncomfortable and I apologize. But I am a non-practicing homosexual with strong emotional and physical desires to be with a man. And I struggle with lustful thoughts everyday. People tell me to just redirect my thoughts. I am very compulsive and it is almost impossible for me to do that. For goodness sakes, my mind gets full of images when I am reading the Bible. The more I try to fight these desires the stronger they become. Maybe people who claim perfection are really perfect, for I know I can not judge. But maybe it's just easier for them. Or maybe it is hard for them, but it is possible. It's just like an intelligent person with a high IQ who is able to pass his class with a 4.0, however it still took hard work; where as someone who has a lower IQ who even has to work harder then the intelligent guy to just get C's and D's; but it was never possible for him to get a 4.0 no matter how hard they tried. I have tried to work for perfection in the past. I know the truth about God's wrath on sin. I am well-aware of it all. I want to know the truth. Hebrews 10:26 is scripture I basically have memorize. There's also a verse that says in 1 John 3:7-9 "Dear children, don't let anyone decieve you about this: When people do what is right, it is because they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil. Those who have been born into God's family do not sin, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they have been born of God." I feel totally doomed. So I am aware. I am also aware of what 1 Corinthians says about homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. It gets thrown into my face constantly. Everyone always brings up 1 Corinthians 6. But what about Galatians 5:19-21 which says "When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immorality (which is my issue due to lustful thoughts), eagerness for lustful pleasures (again my issue), idolatry, participation in demonic activity, hostility (which is what I am feeling right now), QUARRELING, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, DIVISIONS, the feeling everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, envy, drunkeness, wild parties, and every other kinds of sin. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the kingdom of God." I see division and quarreling in the church all the time. I also see quarreling on these forums, even from those claiming perfection. Yet, do they still believe they are saved. Christians are always saying people hate it when they are confronted with the truth. That's not my issue at all. I confront myself with the truth everyday. If you read my threads, I am always confessing my sins. But it's easier to confront someone with the truth when it is not your sin struggle. I am sorry. Someone brought up homosexuality again and it angered me.

There is no one on this forum that doesn't sin. The ones that say they don't have a built-in caveat. They, IMHO, just might be full of beans. I don't buy it. Don't compare yourself to anyone else. God has given most of us struggles. Know your relationship is between you and God. Don't let other people call the shots for you, because if you let them, they'd probably just shoot you and get it over with. People feel better about themselves when they judge others, so there is something in it for them. A warm, fuzzy feeling and more. Being honest is wonderful, but know that a few self righteous people can hurt you real bad. Jesus tells us to 'guard your heart'. I think you might think about doing that a little more.

IM SO SORRY You were hurt by someone's words! I know GOD loves you and your sins are forgiven truly they are As long as you walk in the spirit you can't walk the flesh, and as for your struggle I do not profess to know I know when you allow sin in your life and become a slave to it / that sin it scares you and the devil will use a scar like that to keep you close to him! Run as fast and as far as you can! Your desire is like a pitcher of water if you stop the flow one way or will have to poor out some how allow it to poor out in the direction the Lord intended for you! I know the protocol son has been thrown at you but it's what i see and also how his constant Love for us is better then life itself! Palms 63 ;1-8 Humbled to be able to speak freely from only my heart to you! My brother in Christ

 

[brixken7]

I see the parable of the sewer in that we have levels to go through if you keep walking with him you will eventually get into good soil!
No one can snatch you out of his hand but that doesn't mean you can't willfully pull away or not stay the course and keep growing versus just using grace as a crutch to continue sinning! He knows our heart and he won't give us more in TEMPTATION that we can't handle! As a true child of God there is no sin in your life "'meaning you set your self a part from sin! Does this mean we won't sin no we are sinners! But you can't walk in the flesh while you are In the spirit! And visa versa. You can be stubborn like a mule that needs a bit to be pulled! But the Lord will not do the work for you! you must repent! He died so we are forgiven but we must ask for forgiveness and repent! Or there is no forgiveness for what we continue willfully do! I love this topic cuz I've finally get to fellow ship with you all GOD BLESS YOU ALL.!! Humbled to speak

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"But the Lord will not do the work for you! you must repent! He died so we are forgiven but we must ask for forgiveness and repent! "
-- lori milne

Not true.

Actually, the Lord INSISTS ON DOING the work for you --- "lest any man will boast."

Therefore, it is God who grants to us repentance (Acts 11:18; Romans 2:4; II Timothy 2:25) and it is God Who gives us faith (Ephesians 2:8), "not of (our) works, lest any man should boast" (verse 9).

In fact, He does all the works of salvation (Isaiah 26:12; Philippians 1:6; 2:13; Hebrews 13:21). So that all boasting is "excluded" (Romans 3:27).

 

[lori milne]

But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1 Timothy‬ 2:10 KJV) I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. John‬ 9:4 KJV) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made. James‬ 2‬:22‬ KJV Yes , works can't get you to heaven only grace . your correct we are sinners and not spot free, it is given to us completely. I was referring to are walk or ability to walk in the spirit, or repent, to do the work it takes to turn from sin. Or the work it takes to have a plentiful harvest to read your word everyday, to walk by faith, keep GOD in all you do, preach the word, live as an example to those that need it. I was regarding someone people who are a slave to sin.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews‬ 10‬:26‬ KJV).

Only God knows the heart. I guess I used the wrong wording, I am the worst with wording , I am embarrassed to say I'm the worst with my usage of wording I always seem to mid use words

 

[lori milne]

And I thought based off the word, that in order for are sins to be forgiven we must ask for forgiveness? And you can't be living In sin and expect that sin your
Living in /not turned from" won't be forgiven till you repent from that sin and ask for forgiveness?
Based off
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]26‬ KJV)
Please your view is great to me btw I thank you for it

 

[Alithis]

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"But the Lord will not do the work for you! you must repent! He died so we are forgiven but we must ask for forgiveness and repent! "
-- lori milne

Not true.

Actually, the Lord INSISTS ON DOING the work for you --- "lest any man will boast."

Therefore, it is God who grants to us repentance (Acts 11:18; Romans 2:4; II Timothy 2:25) and it is God Who gives us faith (Ephesians 2:8), "not of (our) works, lest any man should boast" (verse 9).

In fact, He does all the works of salvation (Isaiah 26:12; Philippians 1:6; 2:13; Hebrews 13:21). So that all boasting is "excluded" (Romans 3:27).

hmm so if the lord speaks to my heart and says ..forgive that man who stole a car and ran of your child's leg ...and then left him wounded on the street (because if we do not forgive those who have sinned against us neither will our heavenly father forgive us our sin).. that i don't actually have to do what he says to my heart i can just ignore him and disobey him because he will do it .. ???
its a ridiculous concept -of course I must obey him ..if i do not i become a child of disobedience in whom the Spirit of this world rules ..oh for sure there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth ... mostly bu those who say .. but this guy said i don't have to do anything.. not doing anything includes not obeying god .

after all the premise in the Op is we can do anything at all -we dont have to listen to gods voice and obey him we can just ignore god because we are already saved -we don't have to 'know him" whats relationship got to do with it ?

i honestly wonder how many follow the outer concept of the bible but really don't know what it is to 'hear' the lord Speak to them ,saying "this is the way, walk in it " ...

over and again i have begun to observe that the osas hyper type grace promoters seldom (if ever ) testify of when and how the lord has spoken to their hearts on a personal level.what he has said to them on a personal level ,how they respond and what was the result of that in their life .

in the absence of such testimony .. one is left to wonder why there is an absence of it

 

[Jesse2014]

IM SO SORRY You were hurt by someone's words! I know GOD loves you and your sins are forgiven truly they are As long as you walk in the spirit you can't walk the flesh, and as for your struggle I do not profess to know I know when you allow sin in your life and become a slave to it / that sin it scares you and the devil will use a scar like that to keep you close to him! Run as fast and as far as you can! Your desire is like a pitcher of water if you stop the flow one way or will have to poor out some how allow it to poor out in the direction the Lord intended for you! I know the protocol son has been thrown at you but it's what i see and also how his constant Love for us is better then life itself! Palms 63 ;1-8 Humbled to be able to speak freely from only my heart to you! My brother in Christ

You are not wrong about me of being like the protocol son. I have harden my heart because of my sin.

 

[Messy]

If sin takes away your salvation you'd best stay alone, don't get kids and sit in your room alone listening to worship Music and praying and share the gospel, nothing can go wrong.

 

[CGL1023]

Homosexuality is brought up all the time, like the rest doesn't mind, but outbursts of anger is in the same row. For me that was impossible to stop, I had borderline. I don't understand these normal people that can control themselves and just sin a bit minor sins, with me it's either black or white.
I watched Derek Prince and T.B. Joshua for deliverance prayer and also had prayer in church. I can't talk about it in church, if I tell my ex I had an outburst of anger he takes away my kids, I have to pretend. Yesterday Alithis posted a great testimony and God spoke to me. I do bark still without curse words lol. They have to not yell all the time or my neighbour gets angry and I can't live anywhere else. God is keeping me from falling these last two days.
What Gideons preaches, a miracle and deliverance is the only way out of this, it's impossible to do yourself. I saw homosexuals be set free in an instant at T.B. Joshua's church.

As aside to this robust discussion, I thank you personally for alerting me to T. B. Joshua. I am always interested knowing of ministries doing the work of Mt 10:7-8, Mark 16:15-20, Luke 10:9, 17-19, and many other examples. Again Thanks.

 

[Jesse2014]

Homosexuality is brought up all the time, like the rest doesn't mind, but outbursts of anger is in the same row. For me that was impossible to stop, I had borderline. I don't understand these normal people that can control themselves and just sin a bit minor sins, with me it's either black or white.
I watched Derek Prince and T.B. Joshua for deliverance prayer and also had prayer in church. I can't talk about it in church, if I tell my ex I had an outburst of anger he takes away my kids, I have to pretend. Yesterday Alithis posted a great testimony and God spoke to me. I do bark still without curse words lol. They have to not yell all the time or my neighbour gets angry and I can't live anywhere else. God is keeping me from falling these last two days.
What Gideons preaches, a miracle and deliverance is the only way out of this, it's impossible to do yourself. I saw homosexuals be set free in an instant at T.B. Joshua's church.

Thank you

 

[Alithis]

--its an off topic and pointless endeavor .to my perception the topic of your op is wrong ..others are not .
to your perception your Op is correct ..but i still suspect we may be speaking of differing aspects founded on the same statement .

I suspect you speak of sin that we are in bondage to when we come to the lord, cannot lose me my salvation because my deliverance comes and until it does ..im saved by faith . because i believe that the lord Jesus can do for me what i can never do for myself .
-i speak of having already been delivered and no longer in bondage to that sin - if i then willfully return and begin doing it again ,i am in great danger because there is no sacrifice after that,i must repent , turn from and cease that action of rebellion against god .. if i do not only the certain wrath of god awaits .

as i often point out .. if he has saved me from sin he has saved me to walk free of it ,not leave me in it , once i walk free of it ,only rebellion can take me back in.God sure will not lead me back in to sin .

no one can take me out of Gods hands .. that is to say .., no one "else " !

you see , same coin -two sides .
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innocence needs no justification .

 

[Frogster]

Life and death can't dwell together. Sin is dead, we are alive, that is a fact.

 

[gideons300]

Life and death can't dwell together. Sin is dead, we are alive, that is a fact.

By the sacrifice of Jesus, our old nature was crucified with Him. He made us new creatures and asks us to believe this, for it is this truth that is our armor against the wiles of the devil. But knowing this is not enough. We are told to put the new man on, to believe that sin no longer has us, that we are no longer in the flesh and owe it nothing.

If we do this, all the security in the world is available to us. But if we dig in our heels, still want to live as the "old" us, content that we are not "that bad", rather than let God live in us, we are, in effect, choosing to rebuild what He destroyed. Many have resurrected their old nature and say "the old is better."

Because sin in our behavior is not confessed, addressed and turned away from, positional freedom is of no value, and that sin we refuse to turn from re-hardens our once softened heart, and ultimately, there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment. In effect, these have walked away from grace and there are plenty of scriptures to back this up. Our salvation cannot be taken by any other, this is true, but it can be lost by US and our hearts that see nothing wrong with "a little sin".

Paul said that in his own walk, he pressed to apprehend all that he was apprehended for. That is our calling as well.... to run our race as if there is only one prize and that we are determined to be the one to win it. He says that he does this "lest, after preaching to others, I myself might become a castaway."

We are told that if we sin willfully, knowing what we are doing is wrong yet refuse the correction and loving chastening of God, we are in truth spitting on the sacrifice He made for us, and putting him to an open shame. We are, when we take such a stance, using Christ, but refusing to follow Him, or to walk with Him as friends by setting our minds and hearts to obey Him rather than the desires of our own hearts. Paul tells us that if such a path is remained on, there is no more sacrifice for sin, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment. It is not too late for any to turn from such deep error, but to harden our hearts to such plain truth is to tempt the Spirit. God is long-suffering but we have lost the truth that our God is also a jealous God and will not be mocked.

Yes, Jesus became the author of eternal salvation....to all those who obey Him, not our own desires. Losing our life, hating our fleshly nature, is a foundational truth that Jesus laid down. He who tries to save his old life will lose it, no may lose it. WILL lose it. But praise God, He who is determined to follow Christ no matter the cost all the way to the end, he will save it unto eternal life.

I can list a dozen more very clear references to the truth that our salvation is to be worked out by our yielding, our responding to His correction, our endurance, our willingness to lay aside not only every sin but even the weights that hinder our growing up into Him in all things.

Just one of these verses is enough to disprove your assertion. The very fact that it is possible at all tears at the heart of the lie that no matter how we live,
once we say "the prayer", all is eternally well. This is the lie satan is feeding us, so that we lower our guard, not realizing that satan can pull us away and devour us.

Is there safety for the weak one? Absolutely, far more than we can even know! When we hold up our shield of faith that we truly are new creatures, and possess natures that now CAN be caused to obey, we have in effect run into Him and found REAL safety. All He asks of us is full yieldedness and full faith in His amazing promises to keep us from falling.

How is this possible? Because Christ now is our life and we can now resist the temptations of satan, knowing that our God will not allow us to be tempted above our ability to resist them. THAT is glorious safety.

But if we refuse such a yielded life, and try to hold onto the old self ruling "us" while thinking all will still be eternally well, we will find in the end that refusing to lose our life to let Him rule and reign in us is a mistake, and a huge one.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[ToBeBlessed]

--its an off topic and pointless endeavor .to my perception the topic of your op is wrong ..others are not .
to your perception your Op is correct ..but i still suspect we may be speaking of differing aspects founded on the same statement .

I suspect you speak of sin that we are in bondage to when we come to the lord, cannot lose me my salvation because my deliverance comes and until it does ..im saved by faith . because i believe that the lord Jesus can do for me what i can never do for myself .
-i speak of having already been delivered and no longer in bondage to that sin - if i then willfully return and begin doing it again ,i am in great danger because there is no sacrifice after that,i must repent , turn from and cease that action of rebellion against god .. if i do not only the certain wrath of god awaits .

as i often point out .. if he has saved me from sin he has saved me to walk free of it ,not leave me in it , once i walk free of it ,only rebellion can take me back in.God sure will not lead me back in to sin .

no one can take me out of Gods hands .. that is to say .., no one "else " !

you see , same coin -two sides .
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innocence needs no justification .

I don't see how you can say that the OP is wrong.

How can "Sin cannot take away your salvation" be wrong? I think maybe what you are trying to say does not belong on this thread but on one of the sin threads that are always here on this forum.

The premise that you are trying to make does not invalidate the OP topic at all. I think it shows that no matter what kind of sin we are in, that Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us!

The scenario that you bring forth is your own reasoning and not based on what Christ has said He will forgive. In that respect, your opinion does not matter since you yourself will not be in a position to forgive anyone for their sins.

Thank You Jesus! You are the Alpha and the Omega. You do not judge on the standards of man, but on your undying love and faithfulness!

 

[Frogster]

I don't see how you can say that the OP is wrong.

How can "Sin cannot take away your salvation" be wrong? I think maybe what you are trying to say does not belong on this thread but on one of the sin threads that are always here on this forum.

The premise that you are trying to make does not invalidate the OP topic at all. I think it shows that no matter what kind of sin we are in, that Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us!

The scenario that you bring forth is your own reasoning and not based on what Christ has said He will forgive. In that respect, your opinion does not matter since you yourself will not be in a position to forgive anyone for their sins.

Thank You Jesus! You are the Alpha and the Omega. You do not judge on the standards of man, but on your undying love and faithfulness!

yeah, and I am still trying to figure out how we are alive one day, dead the next?



1 cor 15:55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting

 

[lismore]

Sin can not take away your salvation.

That's right. Because it's not your salvation, it's God's salvation, given to us as a free gift.

We were completely unworthy to receive God's grace, can we now by works make ourselves any more worthy in God's sight or by lack of works make ourselves any less worthy?

No. Human works can't make us righteous or keep us righteous in God's eyes.

Isaiah 61:10
I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

The only way to appear righteous before God is to appear clothed in God's own perfect righteousness.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

That's right. Because it's not your salvation, it's God's salvation, given to us as a free gift.

We were completely unworthy to receive God's grace, can we now by works make ourselves any more worthy in God's sight or by lack of works make ourselves any less worthy?

No. Human works can't make us righteous or keep us righteous in God's eyes.

Isaiah 61:10
I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

The only way to appear righteous before God is to appear clothed in God's own perfect righteousness.

It is our salvation. I disagree with that. Jesus died so ALL can be saved. I believe that Jesus experiences joy for each one of us that accepts His gift. Our salvation is like a covenant between us and Jesus.

It is undeserved yes. But it is our salvation and Jesus is a personal God. Giving us His mind and the Holy Spirit shows me this, among the vast amount of scripture. We need to see our salvation as personal as it helps us to see that God wants to walk with us.

 

[Frogster]

That's right. Because it's not your salvation, it's God's salvation, given to us as a free gift.

We were completely unworthy to receive God's grace, can we now by works make ourselves any more worthy in God's sight or by lack of works make ourselves any less worthy?

No. Human works can't make us righteous or keep us righteous in God's eyes.

Isaiah 61:10
I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

The only way to appear righteous before God is to appear clothed in God's own perfect righteousness.

wow, great post, i really love the red part, i will remember that for the future, thanks! frog.

 

[lismore]

It is our salvation. I disagree with that.

Hello Tobeblessed

Psalm 91 says:

“Because he[b] loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him
and show him my salvation.”


God says he will show us his salvation. That's why it's so wonderful, because it is God's salvation.

Our salvation is like a covenant between us and Jesus.

.

The new covenant is between God the father and God the son, we didn't make it, we cannot break it.

One of the reasons darkness came over the face of the earth at Calvary so that no human being could look or be involved in the covenant that God made. It reminds us of the Abrahamic covenant, when God made a covenant with Abraham he brought a great darkness over the earth and put Abraham to sleep. The Abrahamic covenant is unbreakable because Abraham was not involved in making it. When God makes an unbreakable covenant no human is involved.

God Bless You

 

[Gregory Thompson]

the name Yeshua means YHWH's Salvation .. if that helps .

 

[lismore]

It is our salvation. I disagree with that.

Hello Tobeblessed

Psalm 91 says:

“Because he[b] loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him
and show him my salvation.”


God says he will show us his salvation. That's why it's so wonderful, because it is God's salvation.

Our salvation is like a covenant between us and Jesus.

.

The new covenant is between God the father and God the son, we didn't make it, we cannot break it.

One of the reasons darkness came over the face of the earth at Calvary so that no human being could look or be involved in the covenant that God made. It reminds us of the Abrahamic covenant, when God made a covenant with Abraham he brought a great darkness over the earth and put Abraham to sleep. The Abrahamic covenant is unbreakable because Abraham was not involved in making it. When God makes an unbreakable covenant no human is involved.

Genesis 15: As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him......when the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces.

God Bless You