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I think Paul was using hyperbole in that particular statement of his.And somehow Jesus forgot to mention this to the Holy Spirit? So the Holy Spirit could inspire Paul to teach this error because the Holy Spirit did not know what the whole world meant?
I think Paul was using hyperbole in that particular statement of his.
Well, I am not that refined. We have 2000 years of history in hind site to know the Jews were expelled from the land, and that they have come back, Israel a nation again and Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews - to know that Jesus's return is near. The other arguments are not going to over-ride that.The argument has been raised: "The apostles were saying that the Gospel had been preached to the world as they knew it, but the Gospel has to reach the world as we know it before Christ will return."
Well, I am not that refined. We have 2000 years of history in hind site to know the Jews were expelled from the land, and that they have come back, Israel a nation again and Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews - to know that Jesus's return is near. The other arguments are not going to over-ride that.
The spirit of the text is what matters. I feel that all nations is a great way to describe the attendees. If you have reason to claim that natios with Jewish populations at that time were not represented there, show the evidence now.
You just claimed in this post all nations means something else. Retract that accusation. Or wear it.
Maybe you should change the word prophecy to history for your intents and purposes?
Right, and even nearer now!
Some of the things started to happen a long time ago.
The degradation of the churches etc.
Rather it is COMMON Hebraic Idiom and Poetic Metaphor, used throughout the Bible of God's multiple past comings in Judgement.Jesus is the God of the Old Testament...Yahweh. You seen Jesus on a fast cloud?? Really? No, that is prophesy.
That Particular day was during the Maccabean period, as I stated.Ask yourself when is that day?
That is for anyone, not Israel only.
To a degree, this is correct. However, the fact is: that after 100 generations + every person on earth now has at least some of Abrahams DNA.Except that Today's "jews" have nothing in common with the pre desolation Hebrews.
The do not follow the law whatsoever and do not have their bloodlines so far as anyone knows.
Today's Jews are a Multi ethnic conglomeration of peoples who practice the post christian religion of the Talmud. The do not have any connection to Abraham, Moses, Aaron etc.. religiously, politically or genetically.
And there are Days of the Lord yet to come in the future. Revelation 6:17. Revelation 16:14So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.
With what I read you proved nothing, except you seemed confused.Well, everything in it is proven through scripture and history, but feel free to post your rebuttal in that thread. I believe it is still open for replies.
Wow. Ok. Just so our readers understand quite clearly, your contention is the apostle Paul, infallibly inspired by the Holy Spirit, taught an untruth to his flocks, multiple times, in these passages.
Wow.
What else do you believe Paul taught that was untrue? Doctrines of grace through faith? Sanctification? Admonitions against homosexuality? Are those also untruths that Paul taught? How can we be sure of anything he taught If he was so glaringly wrong about something as paramount to the faith as the spread of the Gospel?
Don't tell a fib against the Holy Spirit. The word used for world was the Greek word Kosmos. Under the stars so to speak. Paul couldn't speak about that which he knew not of. Jesus clearly tells us when the Gospel shall be taken unto all the World, and its an End Time Event.And yet the Holy Spirit inspired him to teach that it was.
When faced with discerning between these two polar opposite positions, fallible internet poster "Revealing Times" and the Divinly inspired apostle Paul, my money's on Paul, every time. Sorry bro.
And somehow Jesus forgot to mention this to the Holy Spirit? So the Holy Spirit could inspire Paul to teach this error because the Holy Spirit did not know what the whole world meant?
OK… I know I wouldn't want to defend that position, but you're the boss of your own opinion so if that's what you think then that's what you think. Good luck with that.
With what I read you proved nothing, except you seemed confused.
And the Holy Spirit, apparently....I know Paul didn't teach the Gospel UNTO ALL THE WORLD and so does everybody else, but you.
In Romans 10:18, the word "world" is oikumene, same as Mat.24:24, and the word "earth" is ge, same as Acts 1:8. In Romans 16:25-26, the word "nations" is ethnos, same as Mark 13:10. In Colossians 1:6, the word "world" is kosmos, same as Mark 16:15. In Colossians 1:23, the word "creature" is ktisis, same as Mark 16:15.The word used for world was the Greek word Kosmos. Under the stars so to speak.
That would be an ALL DAY JOB.....But I gladly would, but I am not going to go to your site and transcribe it. If you want to post it here or in the Matthew 24 thread I would, but everything I saw was wrong.Then I eagerly await your verse by verse rebuttal where you take each of my explanations and show me HOW they are wrong.
No, you misunderstand the facts that the writer thought Europe/Asia Minor/Asia was it (THE WHOLE WORLD). That also was only a letter by Paul to the Colossians, why would you think a letter between two people(s)/party's is "OFFICIAL DOCTRINE" ? Think about it, Paul never intended it to be. It was a letter between him and some friends/Brothers.And the Holy Spirit, apparently....
I'd rather not derail this thread any further lol... I'll check out the Matt 24 thread... and we can do it one section at a time so you don't feel so overwhelmedThat would be an ALL DAY JOB.....But I gladly would, but I am not going to go to your site and transcribe it. Of you want to post it here or in the Matthew 24 thread I would, but everything I saw was wrong.
No, you misunderstand the facts that the writer thought Europe/Asia Minor/Asia was it (THE WHOLE WORLD).
That also was only a letter by Paul to the Colossians, why would you think a letter between two people(s)/party's is "OFFICIAL DOCTRINE" ? Think about it, Paul never intended it to be. It was a letter between him and some friends/Brothers.
I'll say it again as loud and clear as I can.
ALL NATIONS with Jewish Populations were represented at that time.
Which is NOT the same as ALL NATIONS EVERYWHERE ON EARTH HAD A JEWISH POPULATION at that time.
Which would be what YOUR stated view of the meaning of ALL NATIONS in scripture would require.
Do you understand the difference?
I'll wear it proudly. See my last response.
Is the Prophesy of Noah's Flood "meaningless nothing" to you since it is HISTORY?
Is the Prophesy of the Virgin Birth "meaningless nothing" to you since it is HISTORY?
Oh, so Near means 1000's of years...
So when Jesus said this:
Matthew 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
He meant:
So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is still thousands of years away!
If you say so...
Name a couple for us.
Ahhh... so did this Happen?
Revelation 3:3
3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
Did Jesus already "come as a thief" to 1st century Sardis as He promised them He would?
Did this Happen?
Revelation 2:20-23
20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allowthat woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
Did Jesus come and send Jezebel into "Great Tribulation" and Kill Her & Children, or did He fail to follow through on that PROMISE as well?
Rather it is COMMON Hebraic Idiom and Poetic Metaphor, used throughout the Bible of God's multiple past comings in Judgement.
That Particular day was during the Maccabean period, as I stated.
There were many other That Day,"The Day" & The Day of the Lord judgments as well, For example, The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:
Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.
Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger
Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.
Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained
Note also that it was God who did the killing! Did anyone SEE Jehovah kill people? Was the prophet lying? Of course not. This is how the prophets spoke.
Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:
Ezekiel 7:19
They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
And again, Ezekiel says of this same past Day of the Lord...
Ezekiel 13:2-5
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.
So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.
If you willfully ignore this set Biblical precedent for prophetic interpretation, your imagination can and will run wildly and you will come up with any number of fanciful, Hollywood style, interpretations as your mind can invent.
21:45
45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking of them.
You really make this too easy.
Jesus stopped reading mid sentence when reading Isa 61.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
As for Revelation, the events foretold vividly there are detailed and clearly only possibly fulfilled at the end of the world..
As for your attempts to exaggerate and latch onto instances where phrases are used that may not be meant to take too literally s some excuse to disrespect prophesy, sorry. No.
Jesus stopped reading mid sentence when reading Isa 61.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
As for Revelation, the events foretold vividly there are detailed and clearly only possibly fulfilled at the end of the world..
As for your attempts to exaggerate and latch onto instances where phrases are used that may not be meant to take too literally s some excuse to disrespect prophesy, sorry. No.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
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