Shutdown Poll

[Kenny'sID]

Breaking the government because you don't have the legislative support to get your agenda is not "doing everything he can to build [it]" it's being a petulant child who will break the game instead of playing if he can't get what he wants.

What do you suggest he do?

 

[Nithavela]

How long do you think the shutdown will last?
Why?

Until the 2020 election.

 

[Sparagmos]

Any truth to the flowing? I'll be checking you out on your reply so...If it is a fact, and you knew that, why didn't you mention that as well?

A Dec 13 tweet by trump:



"I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!"


White House struggles to explain Trump claim that Mexico will pay for the wall through trade deal

No that tweet has been widely criticized as false. The USMCA has not been passed by Congress or approved by Mexico, and there is nothing in the new deal that would result in a substantial revenue increase, especially from Mexico. The changes involve automobile manufacturing, access to Canadian dairy, and intellectual property rights. Any benefits from that deal go to private citizens and companies, not into the U.S. treasury. Economists say they don’t see where the deal will bring in any additional revenue from Mexico. And if you read the transcript from that infamous call with the former president of a Mexico, paying for the wall via a renegotiated NAFTA was not part of his plan. No one in the Trump administration has been able to explain how money saved from the USMCA will end up in the treasury or paying for the wall.

 

[Vicomte13]

The way I see it is this - Trump was elected primarily on the Wall - control of immigration was THE issue that brought out his base (protectionism was what switched the Upper Midwestern states to his column).
He has always meant exactly what he said: he will build a Wall, one way or the other (if Congress doesn't appropriate, he'll use the military to do it), and he will make Mexico pay for it (through taxes on cross-border transfers if nothing else).

He believes in those things, he campaigned on them, he was elected on them, and he's not going to back down. Also, he has the tools at his disposal to get it done through executive powers if Congress won't play along.

Nothing ultimately will stop him other than losing the 2020 election, and his holding fast on the Wall - even if it means keeping the government shut down until the election - will significantly determine whether or not he wins re-election.

Either Congress will cave and the Wall will start going up before 2020, or Congress will hold fast as will Trump, the government shutdown will be the longest in American history, and before the election Trump will have the military start building the wall.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

A great negotiator who alone can fix everything, can’t negotiate! Now blame everyone else. I thought the author of “ Art of the Deal” will negotiate and we will get sick of winning!

 

[cow451]

Can't comment unless you actually address my comment, the one you quoted.

Your comment reflects the Art of the Deal President can’t make one. A real leader would accept a bipartisan bill, meaning a Democrat majority House and a GOP majority Senate.

On the left is a picture of Yosemite under President Trump. On the right is a picture of Yosemite under Obama, either Bush, Clinton, etc.

Got the picture?

 

[cow451]

What do you suggest he do?

I would suggest he accept a budget the Senate and House agree on. IOW, act like a President.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Your comment reflects the Art of the Deal President can’t make one. A real leader would accept a bipartisan bill, meaning a Democrat majority House and a GOP majority Senate.

On the left is a picture of Yosemite under President Trump. On the right is a picture of Yosemite under Obama, either Bush, Clinton, etc.

I would suggest he accept a budget the Senate and House agree on. IOW, act like a President.

I see.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So, when's this shutdown supposed to get started?

And I did want to enter a 2 day 22 hr 56 min bid. Is there a prize?

 

[evoeth]

So, when's this shutdown supposed to get started?

And I did want to enter a 2 day 22 hr 56 min bid. Is there a prize?

We are in day 13

 

[Kenny'sID]

No that tweet has been widely criticized as false.

Thanks

We are in day 13

That's hilarious, I mean I'm laughing at myself.

Can I change my bid?

 

[rambot]

Any truth to the flowing? I'll be checking you out on your reply so...If it is a fact, and you knew that, why didn't you mention that as well?

A Dec 13 tweet by trump:



"I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!"


White House struggles to explain Trump claim that Mexico will pay for the wall through trade deal

ROFL! You believed a trump tweet?

 

[Kenny'sID]

ROFL! You believed a trump tweet?

Another twist of truth, do you people never cease?

Now read my comment again, and take this dunce hat to the chair in the corner for a time out.

 

[rambot]

Another twist of truth, do you people never cease?

Now read my comment again, and take this dunce hat to the chair in the corner for a time out.

I feel I must be pretty duncy cause I don't really know your argument or why you are insulting me.

You posted a ridiculously false quote from Trump. In your post you include a news article indicating none of his lackies can explain what he said. I laugh because I assumed you wouldn't post something that seems contrary to your support of "Trump keeps his word".

Am I incorrect in thinking that you DO believe that Trump is keeping his word on the matter?

 

[Sparagmos]

The way I see it is this - Trump was elected primarily on the Wall - control of immigration was THE issue that brought out his base (protectionism was what switched the Upper Midwestern states to his column).
He has always meant exactly what he said: he will build a Wall, one way or the other (if Congress doesn't appropriate, he'll use the military to do it), and he will make Mexico pay for it (through taxes on cross-border transfers if nothing else).

He believes in those things, he campaigned on them, he was elected on them, and he's not going to back down. Also, he has the tools at his disposal to get it done through executive powers if Congress won't play along.

Nothing ultimately will stop him other than losing the 2020 election, and his holding fast on the Wall - even if it means keeping the government shut down until the election - will significantly determine whether or not he wins re-election.

Either Congress will cave and the Wall will start going up before 2020, or Congress will hold fast as will Trump, the government shutdown will be the longest in American history, and before the election Trump will have the military start building the wall.

Why would Trump put the American people through an unnecessary government shutdown if he doesn’t need Congress to build the wall?

 

[cow451]

I see.

Once you were blind, now you see.

 

[cow451]

Why would Trump put the American people through an unnecessary government shutdown if he doesn’t need Congress to build the wall?

There aren’t enough words to explain the racing thoughts and tangential thinking of the incoherent current President.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I feel I must be pretty duncy cause I don't really know your argument or why you are insulting me.

You posted a ridiculously false quote from Trump. In your post you include a news article indicating none of his lackies can explain what he said. I laugh because I assumed you wouldn't post something that seems contrary to your support of "Trump keeps his word".

Am I incorrect in thinking that you DO believe that Trump is keeping his word on the matter?

Evidently you aren't going to read what actually happened, and here we are now having to wast time getting things straight when all I did was ask a question...Was the tweet true?

I didn't believe or not believe anything, I asked and you went off on some baseless accusations. But not a problem, I expect exactly those type knee jerk reactions, without all the info on these threads...happens all the time.

 

[rambot]

Evidently you aren't going to read what actually happened, and here we are now having to wast time getting things straight when all I did was ask a question...Was the tweet true?

1) I read everything posted. But what do you mean when you say "actually happenned"? Like, in this thread? In the White Hourse? 2) Clearly I don't understand your argument; I'm not sure how blaming me for not understanding your logic or argument. 3) All I'm seeing now is cryptic allusions to things I didn't read or am too stupid to understand without any explanation of it. You read like you are tired of having to deal with explaining your position in a way that the reader can understand and make sense of.

Simply, the tweet is factually inaccurate.

I didn't believe or not believe anything, I asked and you went off on some baseless accusations. But not a problem, I expect exactly those type knee jerk reactions, without all the info on these threads...happens all the time.

It's not "baseless". I explained my reasoning for it. I guess I assumed you were a person who kept your opinions consistent with things you are arguing for.

 

[Kenny'sID]

1) I read everything posted. But what do you mean when you say "actually happenned"? Like, in this thread? In the White Hourse? 2) Clearly I don't understand your argument; I'm not sure how blaming me for not understanding your logic or argument. 3) All I'm seeing now is cryptic allusions to things I didn't read or am too stupid to understand without any explanation of it. You read like you are tired of having to deal with explaining your position in a way that the reader can understand and make sense of.

Simply, the tweet is factually inaccurate.

It's not "baseless". I explained my reasoning for it. I guess I assumed you were a person who kept your opinions consistent with things you are arguing for.

"What actually happened" as in what I actually said, I only asked a question, nothing more.

Seriously it isn't worth all this lol.