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[AV1611VET]

AV? My question?

Were you claiming the ancient Hebrews were brass workers or what?

Yes, mam, I was:

And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

I don't particularly care for the term 'ancient Hebrews', but for the record, Tubalcain wasn't a Hebrew.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Yes, mam, I was:I don't particularly care for the term 'ancient Hebrews', but for the record, Tubalcain wasn't a Hebrew.

So... where'd they get the zinc from?

(thanks for the direct answer)

 

[AV1611VET]

So... where'd they get the zinc from?

(thanks for the direct answer)

Where do you get it from?

(you're welcome)

 

[Split Rock]

Oh, my --- [insert irony meter remark of your choice here].

You guys, who can't even get past Genesis 1 without rolling your eyes;

You are the ones who insist that if Genesis cannot be interpreted your way, then the bible might as well be flushed down the toliet because its all a lie.

you guys, who can't even understand why we're not out there putting witches on trial;

"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live," is pretty stright foward.. isn't it? Surely, Satan has lost none of his power since the OT days... is there some reason he doesn't make pacts with old women anymore so they can kill pigs and chickens and cause stillbirths? Of course, nowadays witch-hunting is frowned upon.. so, you have to make up some excuse not to do it anymore. Enter the concept of "Dispensation!" God changed his mind about witches, or Satan got bored with them.

you guys, who can't understand why we're not marching out on a crusade;

Oh, but you are. The Crusade today is against Science, Abortion, Homosexuality, Premarital Sex, The Separation of Church and State, etc.

executing our children for picking up sticks;

Funny how you guys are so selective about which of God's commandments you need to follow and which you should ignore... enter again the concept of "Dispensation!"

adding another 14 books to our Bible;

Well, there were a lot of books which were excluded from the canon and different denominations do recognise diffferent books as "legitimate." Yet, the Bible is God's Infallible Word... yeah, right. You treat The Bible like it was one book written in stone rather than many separate books, which it is.

and think there's 38,000 (that's 'thousand') sects of Christianity; would make a statement like this?

It depends how you define "sect." That 38,000 mentioned in Wikipedia breaks even The Anglican Church down into seperate "sects." Nevertheless, there are many denominations. And they all disagree on some aspects of interpreting scripture. Funny that, huh?

 

[AV1611VET]

"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live," is pretty stright foward.. isn't it?

It sure is.

Are you implying there are witches in existence today?

Surely, Satan has lost none of his power since the OT days...

Oh, I'd say he lost some when his head was bruised at the Cross.

He did manage to [literally] bruise Jesus' heel.

... is there some reason he doesn't make pacts with old women anymore so they can kill pigs and chickens and cause stillbirths?

Yes --- the Holy Spirit is here now.

Remember? He came 10 days after Jesus' ascension? Day of Pentecost?

Anyway, the Holy Spirit is here now, and one of His functions is to keep demonic activity in check.

Of course, nowadays witch-hunting is frowned upon.. so, you have to make up some excuse not to do it anymore. Enter the concept of "Dispensation!" God changed his mind about witches, or Satan got bored with them.

Either that, or true witches don't exist anymore.

You do know what I mean by "true witches", don't you?

Not these watered-down covens where successful business women, dressed for success, carry laptops by day, then meet to have pie and coffee in a 13-woman coven in the evening and discuss how to put a spell on their cheating husbands, or how to put a spell on someone's bank account, etc.

I'm talking true-blue, callem-up-out-of-paradise witches --- the real mccoys.

And speaking of Paradise, you do know it's in Third Heaven now, don't you?

That's why the witch at Endor called Samuel up (from below), but Paul in the New Testament mentioned Paradise when he was up in Heaven.

It's one thing to be able to call a person up from a place that was down next to Hell, proper; it's quite another when that place was taken up to Heaven and is now in the vicinity of God, Himself.

But no, you guys want us to still go roaming around at night looking in windows and trying to catch witches on their brooms, or boiling bat wings in cauldrons, or flopping around on the floor or something, and have them summoned into court for the purpose of burning or hanging or whatever.

Well --- it's not going to happen.

Not with those who know their Bibles, anyway.

Now, with you guys --- well --- that's a different story.

The way you guys go on about what we should be doing --- I'm glad you don't run the world like you interpret the Scriptures.

 

[Split Rock]

It sure is.

Are you implying there are witches in existence today?Oh, I'd say he lost some when his head was bruised at the Cross.

Could you provide some scripture to back that up? I'm not familar with that bruising.

He did manage to [literally] bruise Jesus' heel.Yes --- the Holy Spirit is here now.

Where was it before?

Remember? He came 10 days after Jesus' ascension? Day of Pentecost?

OK

Anyway, the Holy Spirit is here now, and one of His functions is to keep demonic activity in check.Either that, or true witches don't exist anymore.

Well, which is it? Is this all guesswork on your part?

You do know what I mean by "true witches", don't you?

A Witch is someone who makes a pact with Satan for the power to do what they want on earth.

Not these watered-down covens where successful business women, dressed for success, carry laptops by day, then meet to have pie and coffee in a 13-woman coven in the evening and discuss how to put a spell on their cheating husbands, or how to put a spell on someone's bank account, etc.

Doggone fake witches!

I'm talking true-blue, callem-up-out-of-paradise witches --- the real mccoys.

There never were any "real mccoys."

And speaking of Paradise, you do know it's in Third Heaven now, don't you?

Where was it before?

That's why the witch at Endor called Samuel up (from below), but Paul in the New Testament mentioned Paradise when he was up in Heaven.

Scripture?

It's one thing to be able to call a person up from a place that was down next to Hell, proper; it's quite another when that place was taken up to Heaven and is now in the vicinity of God, Himself.

Assuming you are interpreting it right..

But no, you guys want us to still go roaming around at night looking in windows and trying to catch witches on their brooms, or boiling bat wings in cauldrons, or flopping around on the floor or something, and have them summoned into court for the purpose of burning or hanging or whatever.

Sorry, we won't let you guys do that anymore here. You'll have to move to Africa or Indonesisa.

Well --- it's not going to happen.

See above.

Not with those who know their Bibles, anyway.

The Bible would encourage such behavior (as history shows us) rather than discourage such behavior.

Now, with you guys --- well --- that's a different story.

The way you guys go on about what we should be doing --- I'm glad you don't run the world like you interpret the Scriptures.

Nonsense. You have been told this before. We do not interpret scripture like you do: Devoid of context and assumed to be written as if by God's own hand. Therefore, we would never use it as a basis for our laws or behavior.

 

[BananaSlug]

Doggone fake witches!

Thanks Split Rock. I don't know why but that sentence just made me spew diet coke all over my computer! Too funny!

 

[AV1611VET]

We do not interpret scripture like you do:

No argument there.

 

[MoonLancer]

people in the past (after Christ, before now) DID commit witch burnings. They did so as sanctioned by the church. The only reason you yourself do not believe it is right to burn is a witch is because of a today's paradigm shift, not because of whats in the bible. However you are projecting today paradigm shift on to the bible to claim it as the source for this reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

people in the past (after Christ, before now) DID commit witch burnings. They did so as sanctioned by the church. The only reason you yourself do not believe it is right to burn is a witch is because of a today's paradigm shift, not because of whats in the bible. However you are projecting today paradigm shift on to the bible to claim it as the source for this reason.

So do witches exist today, or don't they?

Yes or no?

 

[Split Rock]

So do witches exist today, or don't they?

Yes or no?

NO. There never were any witches (as defined by the Church) in the first place.

 

[AV1611VET]

NO. There never were any witches (as defined by the Church) in the first place.

What's the problem, then?

Why prompt us to go out and burn or hang some?

Or is it, as I suspect, just a cheap shot to try and make God's Church look bad?

 

[Split Rock]

What's the problem, then?

Why prompt us to go out and burn or hang some?

Why prompt us to look for evidence of The Flood when you claim there is none to find?

Or is it, as I suspect, just a cheap shot to try and make God's Church look bad?

God's Church? You mean the one you constantly distance yourself from here all the time, as if Christianity started with American Independent Baptists?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why prompt us to look for evidence of The Flood when you claim there is none to find?

Because you "experts" claim there should be some; so, I'm pointing out that, if indeed there is, you guys aren't doing your job, or you would have had it by now.

It's like when Elisha tried to convince those who said Elijah was still around somewhere that Elisha was, in fact, gone.

They insisted that empirical verification was on their side, so Elisha eventually gave in and [basically] said, "Go for it."

They searched for three days and found nothing.

You guys, on the other hand, have searched for hundreds of years, and found nothing.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Because you "experts" claim there should be some; so, I'm pointing out that, if indeed there is, you guys aren't doing your job, or you would have had it by now.

It's like when Elisha tried to convince those who said Elijah was still around somewhere that Elisha was, in fact, gone.

They insisted that empirical verification was on their side, so Elisha eventually gave in and [basically] said, "Go for it."

They searched for three days and found nothing.

You guys, on the other hand, have searched for hundreds of years, and found nothing.

Exactly. We've found nothing. No evidence for the flood at all. No proof that it ever happened. No reason to ever rationally believe its existence. We've searched, we've looked everywhere, and nothing has been found. Hundreds of years of hunting has turned up no evidence for the flood.

The conclusion: It's practically certain that it didn't happen. Otherwise we'd have found the evidence, like you said.

 

[AV1611VET]

The conclusion: It's practically certain that it didn't happen. Otherwise we'd have found the evidence, like you said.

Fair enough.

I'll go with "God cleaned it up" though.

Saying it didn't happen isn't an option for me.

 

[MoonLancer]

So do witches exist today, or don't they?

Yes or no?

I don't know. If they do, they don't deserve to be burned to death even though the bible says they should be. Its good that you set aside your religious book when it comes to things like. Its more then i can say for the middle east. yeesh.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know. If they do, they don't deserve to be burned to death even though the bible says they should be. Its good that you set aside your religious book when it comes to things like. Its more then i can say for the middle east. yeesh.

I don't 'set my religious book aside' --- I interpret It in light of dispensation theology.

In dispensation theology, God has a set goal He expects us to achieve (replenish the earth and take proper dominion over it), and gives us a set of standards we are to use to achieve that goal.

If we fail to work toward that goal and get to the point that we have no intention of doing so with the standards He has given us, then God steps in and punishes us with a fitting punishment, and then prescribes a new set of standards that we are to use to accomplish our goal.

Failure, of course, will precipitate another judgment.

Each dispensation, then, starts out with a new set of standards, and ends with divine judgment.

 

[Split Rock]

Because you "experts" claim there should be some; so, I'm pointing out that, if indeed there is, you guys aren't doing your job, or you would have had it by now.

It's like when Elisha tried to convince those who said Elijah was still around somewhere that Elisha was, in fact, gone.

They insisted that empirical verification was on their side, so Elisha eventually gave in and [basically] said, "Go for it."

They searched for three days and found nothing.

You guys, on the other hand, have searched for hundreds of years, and found nothing.

You Bible "experts" say that everything in the Bible is infallibly literally true and written by God. So, why are you not looking for witches? You guys make up "dispensations" to get out of doing what Gos is telling you to do.

 

[Split Rock]

I don't 'set my religious book aside' --- I interpret It in light of dispensation theology.

In other words, anything you don't like, you say "Dispensation theology" lets you off from obeying God.

In dispensation theology, God has a set goal He expects us to achieve (replenish the earth and take proper dominion over it), and gives us a set of standards we are to use to achieve that goal.

This isn't Dispensation theology. In DT you ignore the set of standards He gave you and claim it was "just for the Jews."

If we fail to work toward that goal and get to the point that we have no intention of doing so with the standards He has given us, then God steps in and punishes us with a fitting punishment, and then prescribes a new set of standards that we are to use to accomplish our goal.

Unless you can just "dispensate" it all away. Then its "all good."

Failure, of course, will precipitate another judgment.

Unless you can just say its OK with "Dispensation theology," right?

Each dispensation, then, starts out with a new set of standards, and ends with divine judgment.

So, the standard God sets for us keeps getting lowered, correct? Sounds like Public School.