Shouldn't Creationism be taught at public schools?

[Platte]

It is called Biblical criticism | Textual, Historical, Literary | Britannica

It has been around since the enlightenment or so.

Yes but to make those criticisms there should be a basis for it. Such as you having evidence of a different author. And to have such a strong opinion is odd. You didn’t say “I don’t think Moses was the author” you came right out and said he wasn’t. That’s why I asked:

The real question is why would you have such a strong opinion that it was not Moses? Many scripture refer to Moses as the author and Moses even refers to himself in the first person in Deu. So why such a strong opinion against Moses without having a clear alternative? Sounds like you have a motive behind your statement. Can you expose yourself to us?

 

[trophy33]

The first five books of the Bible were written by Moses. Who do you think wrote them? If you don’t know than just say so

There is no evidence these books were written by Moses. There is plenty of evidence these books were not written by Moses, though.

We do not know the names of those who wrote them, composed them, edited them. Most probably multiple persons throughout time. Most work being done sometime after the Babylonian exile.

 

[trophy33]

I don’t care if you say the sunrises or the sunsets. If you have kept meticulous historical records then I think teaching your history in school is legit

Not sure what is your point. Mythological narratives are not "meticulous historical records" and commanding the Sun to stop or even to return back is not sunrise or sunset.

 

[Platte]

Not sure what is your point. Mythological narratives are not "meticulous historical records" and commanding the Sun to stop or even to return back is not sunrise or sunset.

The Bible is not mythological narrative. And the details in Genesis - Deuteronomy provides great historical detail.

My point is even today we refer to the sun moving or standing still. That the perspective we see. If the sun stood above you for hours you’d say the sun stopped. Nothing wrong or unusual about saying that.
Sunset and sunrise imply the sun is moving in a similar fashion to what Joshua was saying

 

[Platte]

There is no evidence these books were written by Moses. There is plenty of evidence these books were not written by Moses, though.

We do not know the names of those who wrote them, composed them, edited them. Most probably multiple persons throughout time. Most work being done sometime after the Babylonian exile.

I ask you the same question.

Why would you have such a strong opinion that it was not Moses? Many scripture refer to Moses as the author and Moses even refers to himself in the first person in Deu. So why such a strong opinion against Moses without having a clear alternative? Sounds like you have a motive behind your statement. Can you expose yourself to us?

 

[David Lamb]

I'm glad my faith isn't based on the Old Testament, then.

Mine is based on the Old and the New Testaments. After all, remember how Jesus spoke to those two disciples on the way to Emmaus:

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.” (Lu 24:27 NKJV)

The New Testament was yet to be written, so "all the Scriptures" there refers to the Old Testament.

 

[David Lamb]

Certainly not Moses. Do you think he wrote about his own death in the third person? Deuteronomy 34:5 5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.

Probably a post exilic author or Deuteronomistic historian.

So why do we read that Jesus said this to the two disciples on the Emmaus Road?:

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.” (Lu 24:27 NKJV)

 

[BNR32FAN]

Babylonian Jews' narrative, stories. Its no testifying, the book of Genesis is not a court record.

I know you don’t believe in Genesis, you think it’s just a bunch of stories conjured up by the imagination of man.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Mythological and/or symbolical. Like it was common in those days.

Mythology is not a lie. It’s a non-literal, non-technical genre. A pre-scientific view of the world.

We’re talking about genealogies here, there’s nothing scientific about them they’re a historical record not a scientific explanation. So your argument here doesn’t actually apply to the topic.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The first five books of the Bible were written by Moses. Who do you think wrote them? If you don’t know than just say so

She thinks that Genesis in particular was a bunch of stories conjured up by man’s imagination. She’s made that clear numerous times in our discussions.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No one. It could only be a narrative written by a later writer with theological points to be made.

Or it could’ve been written by a man named Moses who literally talked to God on several occasions having two way conversations.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yes but to make those criticisms there should be a basis for it. Such as you having evidence of a different author. And to have such a strong opinion is odd. You didn’t say “I don’t think Moses was the author” you came right out and said he wasn’t. That’s why I asked:

The real question is why would you have such a strong opinion that it was not Moses? Many scripture refer to Moses as the author and Moses even refers to himself in the first person in Deu. So why such a strong opinion against Moses without having a clear alternative? Sounds like you have a motive behind your statement. Can you expose yourself to us?

If you would have bothered to read my link you would have seen that the consensus of contemporary scripture scholarship is that Moses did not write the Pentateuch. There you would have also found alternate theories on authorship and reasons for them. If you do not want to read or learn anything other than what you already think., I guess we are done here.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

So why do we read that Jesus said this to the two disciples on the Emmaus Road?:

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.” (Lu 24:27 NKJV)

That does not necessitate Moses as author of Pentateuch.. He could have been referring to the law Moses gave in those narratives.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Would yall also want "Moses wrote Genesis" taught in public schools?

Back to OP
Creationism does not need to be taught.
It is an inference that one is free to make once given the natural evidence.
Some choose to make it and some do not.

 

[Doug Brents]

Would yall also want "Moses wrote Genesis" taught in public schools?

Back to OP
Creationism does not need to be taught.
It is an inference that one is free to make once given the natural evidence.
Some choose to make it and some do not.

Yes, it is ok to teach that Moses wrote Genesis, but not that he authored it (since God authored all of Scripture).

And seeing as how the way evolution is taught in schools today violates the "laws" that evolutionists say cannot be violated (life coming from non-life, species "A" breeding with species "A" and spontaneously resulting in species "B", etc.), evolution should not be allowed to be taught in any school anywhere.

 

[Platte]

If you would have bothered to read my link you would have seen that the consensus of contemporary scripture scholarship is that Moses did not write the Pentateuch. There you would have also found alternate theories on authorship and reasons for them. If you do not want to read or learn anything other than what you already think., I guess we are done here.

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. The Torah. In Christianity we refer to them as the "Five Books of Moses". I'll let you focus on the alternate theories.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. The Torah. In Christianity we refer to them as the "Five Books of Moses". I'll let you focus on the alternate theories.

Who told you that?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yes, it is ok to teach that Moses wrote Genesis

Why? That is simply your belief based on tradition. No evidence at all.

 

[Doug Brents]

Why? That is simply your belief based on tradition. No evidence at all.

That tradition is based upon the Jewish history which goes back unbroken more than 4000 years. Moses died only 3430 years ago, which makes their traditions a lot more reliable than modern research might make it seem.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That tradition is based upon the Jewish history which goes back unbroken more than 4000 years. Moses died only 3430 years ago, which makes their traditions a lot more reliable than modern research might make it seem.

Exodus 24:3-4“When Moses went and told the people all the Lord's words and laws, they responded with one voice, 'Everything the Lord has said we will do. ' Moses then wrote down everything the Lord had said.”

That does not have to mean everything in the Pentateuch. Why would he refer to himself in the 3rd person? Would you?