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It just talks like pepole talk. everyone says "the sun rose", but a tiny few believe that the sun is running around he earth. That's just how we talk.The challenge is that the text doesn't really differentiate one way or the other whether the author or audience thought of it in a technical sense or in a phenomenological sense.
We do know that the earth isn't flat, and that it orbits the sun. Simple observation proves it.No one really knows what the original it intent was or how people would have understood it. Literal or non-literal.
Does matter whether they did or didn't.hat people back then knew that the sun literally did not rise. What is referred to figuratively today.
Which in fact it is not, whether it seems to look that way or not.May have been historically how it was technically understood.
But ultimately, the text does describe an earth that is flat.
Who cares? The earth is an oblate spheroid, and orbits the sun.Whether Genesis was intended to be understood metaphorically or literally, to say such a thing, is debatable.
I see no need to insert religious viewpoints - anyone's religious viewpoints - into the teaching of observable facts.I don't see anything wrong with teaching Creatism as a theory. I think it is different to teach 6-day creating as an indisputable fact
Perhaps we could begin here:Then be good enough to define the basic presuppositions of "creationism".
It does matter whether ancient people did or did not think that the Earth was flat, because remember that it is ancient people that both wrote scripture and they also were the audience of that same scripture.It just talks like pepole talk. everyone says "the sun rose", but a tiny few believe that the sun is running around he earth. That's just how we talk.
We do know that the earth isn't flat, and that it orbits the sun. Simple observation proves it.
Does matter whether they did or didn't.
Which in fact it is not, whether it seems to look that way or not.
Who cares? The earth is an oblate spheroid, and orbits the sun.
None of which have anything whatsoever to do with science.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
You could get several lessons from this one verse alone.
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the earth is flat or not. If the Scripture says the earth is flat (which it does not), then the scripture is wrong.It does matter whether ancient people did or did not think that the Earth was flat, because remember that it is ancient people that both wrote scripture and they also were the audience of that same scripture.
JHe also didn't see fit to teach them astronomy or geology.Ancient people were the original recipients. God isn't going to reveal quantum mechanics to people who live in a pre-scientific time, that wouldn't make any sense to them.
And in fact, they didn't.Also, the original authors would have known what they were writing, so it might be strange that they would write about scientific matters that hadn't been discovered yet.
No, just ridiculous.And you can find this cosmology depicted on a variety of artifacts. Such as the Babylonian map of the world, or the unfinished kuduru stone. Now obviously, in modern times, we find this uncomfortable and perhaps offensive.
And made stuff up...But in ancient times, people simply described the world through their perspective.
Scripture is only right or wrong in what God intends it to teach. If the Bible were intended to be a science textbook, then indeed, it would be wrong. Remember what happened to the Catholic Church and their arguments for geocentrism, using Bible passages in their favor.Which has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the earth is flat or not. If the Scripture says the earth is flat (which it does not), then the scripture is wrong.
JHe also didn't see fit to teach them astronomy or geology.
And in fact, they didn't.
The ancient Egyptians described the sky as an ocean. Is that made up?No, just ridiculous.
And made stuff up...
I agree, however, it may help the Evangelicals shut their mouths if they include it as a theory. They are so obsessed with preaching from the Bible in public school, we can shut them up by letting their evangelical opinion be heard. I don't agree with religion setting the agenda for public schools but if we let them spew their religious fervor on our 2rd graders there may be a possible way to let their extremely evangelical views to be shown and proved to be extremist.I see no need to insert religious viewpoints - anyone's religious viewpoints - into the teaching of observable facts.
Of course. Call it artistic license if you like, but still made up.The ancient Egyptians described the sky as an ocean. Is that made up?
I agree, however, it may help the Evangelicals shut their mouths if they include it as a theory.
Yeah, don't get me started on that. "Let's post the 10 Commandments in classroooms." Why? Because it's in the Bible. Oh, swell. That's gonna change lives, yessiree.They are so obsessed with preaching from the Bible in public school, we can shut them up by letting their evangelical opinion be heard.
I'm fed up with schools peddling what amount to religious precepts of any kind when they ought to be teaching objective fact. Reading, writing, and math, for a start.I don't agree with religion setting the agenda for public schools but if we let them spew their religious fervor on our 2rd graders there may be a possible way to let their extremely evangelical views to be shown and proved to be extremist.
You don't think that this is awkward, given that the Bible says the same thing?Of course. Call it artistic license if you like, but still made up.
"Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more." Poetic, evocative, and in the sense it is meant, true. And made up.
You think that the original authors of the Bible, didn't understand what they were writing about?And in fact, they didn't.
I think the Ten Commandments are appropriate as a reference to old law. However, considering how "law" has been implemented in the modern world, the Ten Commandments are not up to date. Still, I would consider the Ten Commandments an ancient representation of law. The ten representing the most simple representation of what it means to live as a human guided by God.Yeah, don't get me started on that. "Let's post the 10 Commandments in classroooms." Why? Because it's in the Bible. Oh, swell. That's gonna change lives, yessiree.
Yeah, it's tough when we "teach" religion in a public school. Public school is secular and there is no room for religion. In public school, I would represent religion as the "Golden Rule" meaning "treat people as you want to be treated.", That rule is solid for private, public, or after school programs without taking a religious stance.I'm fed up with schools peddling what amount to religious precepts of any kind when they ought to be teaching objective fact. Reading, writing, and math, for a start
In what sense? Celestial mechanics? Not a clue.You think that the original authors of the Bible, didn't understand what they were writing about?
What was that "firmament". A dome? There wasn't one, then or now."Well I don't know what this firmament is in the sky, but let me just write it down anyway because that's what God said" ?
The Bible is definitely not scientific theory or anything attempting to prove Creation scientifically. So I do not think there should ever be any mention of creation in a science class.I think the Ten Commandments are appropriate as a reference to old law. However, considering how "law" has been implemented in the modern world, the Ten Commandments are not up to date. Still, I would consider the Ten Commandments an ancient representation of law. The ten representing the most simple representation of what it means to live as a human guided by God.
Yeah, it's tough when we "teach" religion in a public school. Public school is secular and there is no room for religion. In public school, I would represent religion as the "Golden Rule" meaning "treat people as you want to be treated.", That rule is solid for private, public, or after school programs without taking a religious stance.
Amos 9:6 NASB1995What was that "firmament". A dome? There wasn't one, then or now.
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