Should we take "In God We Trust" off the dollar bill?

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Really?

Freedom of speech is based on what scriptures?
Freedom of assembly is based on what scriptures?
Equal protection under the law is based on what scriptures?
Due process is based on what scriptures?
Innocent until proven guilty is based on what scriptures?
Tax codes are based on what scriptures?
Highway speed limits are based on what scriptures?
Protection from illegal searches is based on what scriptures?
FISA laws are based on what scriptures?
Drug classification laws are based on what scriptures?
FOIA is based on what scriptures?


I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

That you don't have time to do research?

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
....And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

There ARE other systems of law not based on the crazy notion that
others should be treated [Edit- the same as ] the law makers themselves.
But ours is based on "what is good for me, is good for my neighbor."

So WE created this system where the law applies to our neighbors
and also applies to us as law makers as well.

You may have notices that we fight wars just for the purpose
of expanding OUR system over other peoples?
What gives us that right? Our Law.

Anarchy - a condition of lawlessness or political disorder brought about by the absence of governmental authority.

Authoritarian - a form of government in which state authority is imposed onto many aspects of citizens' lives.

Commonwealth - a nation, state or other political entity founded on law and united by a compact of the people for the common good.

Communist - a system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single -- often authoritarian -- party holds power; state controls are imposed with the elimination of private ownership of property or capital while claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people (i.e., a classless society).

Confederacy (Confederation) - a union by compact or treaty between states, provinces or territories that creates a central government with limited powers; the constituent entities retain supreme authority over all matters except those delegated to the central government.

Constitutional - a government by or operating under an authoritative document (constitution) that sets forth the system of fundamental laws and principles that determines the nature, functions and limits of that government.

Constitutional democracy - a form of government in which the sovereign power of the people is spelled out in a governing constitution.

Constitutional monarchy - a system of government in which a monarch is guided by a constitution whereby his/her rights, duties, and responsibilities are spelled out in written law or by custom.

Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.

Democratic republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

Dictatorship - a form of government in which a ruler or small clique wield absolute power (not restricted by a constitution or laws).

Ecclesiastical - a government administrated by a church.

Emirate - similar to a monarchy or sultanate, a government in which the supreme power is in the hands of an emir (the ruler of a Muslim state); the emir may be an absolute overlord or a sovereign with constitutionally limited authority.

Federal (Federation) - a form of government in which sovereign power is formally divided -- usually by means of a constitution -- between a central authority and a number of constituent regions (states, colonies or provinces) so that each region retains some management of its internal affairs; differs from a confederacy in that the central government exerts influence directly upon both individuals as well as upon the regional units.

Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.

Islamic republic - a particular form of government adopted by some Muslim states; although such a state is, in theory, a theocracy, it remains a republic, but its laws are required to be compatible with the laws of Islam.

Maoism - the theory and practice of Marxism-Leninism developed in China by Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-tung), which states that a continuous revolution is necessary if the leaders of a communist state are to keep in touch with the people.

Marxism - the political, economic and social principles espoused by 19th century economist Karl Marx; he viewed the struggle of workers as a progression of historical forces that would proceed from a class struggle of the proletariat (workers) exploited by capitalists (business owners), to a socialist "dictatorship of the proletariat," to, finally, a classless society -- Communism.

Marxism-Leninism - an expanded form of communism developed by Vladimir Lenin from doctrines of Karl Marx; Lenin saw imperialism as the final stage of capitalism and shifted the focus of workers' struggle from developed to underdeveloped countries.

Monarchy - a government in which the supreme power is lodged in the hands of a monarch who reigns over a state or territory, usually for life and by hereditary right; the monarch may be either a sole absolute ruler or a sovereign - such as a king, queen or prince - with constitutionally limited authority.

Oligarchy - a government in which control is exercised by a small group of individuals whose authority generally is based on wealth or power.

Parliamentary democracy - a political system in which the legislature (parliament) selects the government - a prime minister, premier or chancellor along with the cabinet ministers - according to party strength as expressed in elections; by this system, the government acquires a dual responsibility: to the people as well as to the parliament.

Parliamentary government (Cabinet-Parliamentary government) - a government in which members of an executive branch (the cabinet and its leader - a prime minister, premier or chancellor) are nominated to their positions by a legislature or parliament, and are directly responsible to it; this type of government can be dissolved at will by the parliament (legislature) by means of a no-confidence vote or the leader of the cabinet may dissolve the parliament if it can no longer function.

Parliamentary monarchy - a state headed by a monarch who is not actively involved in policy formation or implementation (i.e., the exercise of sovereign powers by a monarch in a ceremonial capacity); true governmental leadership is carried out by a cabinet and its head - a prime minister, premier or chancellor - who are drawn from a legislature (parliament).

Presidential - a system of government where the executive branch exists separately from a legislature (to which it is generally not accountable).

Republic - a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.

Socialism - a government in which the means of planning, producing and distributing goods is controlled by a central government that theoretically seeks a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor; in actuality, most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite.

Sultanate - similar to a monarchy, a government in which the supreme power is in the hands of a sultan (the head of a Muslim state); the sultan may be an absolute ruler or a sovereign with constitutionally limited authority.

Theocracy - a form of government in which a Deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the Deity's laws are interpreted by ecclesiastical authorities (bishops, mullahs, etc.); a government subject to religious authority.

Totalitarian - a government that seeks to subordinate the individual to the state by controlling not only all political and economic matters, but also the attitudes, values and beliefs of its population.
 
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Prove it. Give me a quote where he does not support Christianity. Even "Separation of church and state" was to protect religions from the government.

Jefferson was not a christian.. he was a Diest.

THOMAS JEFFERSON
Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823"One day the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in the United States will tear down the artificial scaffolding of Christianity. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.

The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr (1787)

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814,

Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.”- Thomas Jefferson,A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom(1779)
 
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Hi, I am Buddhist, but I believe in God, and I was wondering, regardless of your religion, how do you feel about God being a figure in American documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the dollar bill, and even the Constitution has some laws based off of the Bible. I am curious to know what others think.

In God We Trust and One Nation Under God was not written by the founding fathers but were added in the late 1950s
 
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In God We Trust and One Nation Under God was not written by the founding fathers but were added in the late 1950s
It's a miracle the United States even lasted so long without the secular government paying homage to a specific religious opinion. ;)
 
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Cheaper to keep it, at least until the next change of face.
Monetarily, sure. If we can put any value to the ideas the country was founded upon, I'd say it is much more 'costly' to keep the phrase, If you get what I'm saying.
 
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Monetarily, sure. If we can put any value to the ideas the country was founded upon, I'd say it is much more 'costly' to keep the phrase, If you get what I'm saying.

I know what you're saying, but if the government halted the presses and mints today and spent a million or so dollars just to make that change, what cost got saved? Just to make a point for the very few people--including atheists--who care enough to think extra tax money should be spent just on that?
 
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In God We Trust and One Nation Under God was not written by the founding fathers but were added in the late 1950s

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We are both right.. Civil War era for coins and 1957 for paper (neither was done by founding fathers)

"In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[4] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST must appear on currency. This phrase was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate.
 
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We are both right.. Civil War era for coins and 1957 for paper (neither was done by founding fathers)

"In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[4] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST must appear on currency. This phrase was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate.

Good thing we didn't pick "God is great!"
 
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I know what you're saying, but if the government halted the presses and mints today and spent a million or so dollars just to make that change, what cost got saved? Just to make a point for the very few people--including atheists--who care enough to think extra tax money should be spent just on that?

So what was the cost of replacing the previous motto, E. Pluribus Unum (sp?). That's what it used to be, so my research has led me to believe, as far as paper money goes. In God We Trust was added in the 50's as a result of the Red Scare. Yes, fear of communism had God added in several things, including paper money. Even though it's not constitutional to do so.

So, I'd rather stand by what the original founding fathers wanted, not what some fear-mongering jerks wanted. As much as you argue, this nation was not founded on Christianity. Ever.
 
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I know what you're saying, but if the government halted the presses and mints today and spent a million or so dollars just to make that change, what cost got saved? Just to make a point for the very few people--including atheists--who care enough to think extra tax money should be spent just on that?
I already said they wouldn't need to stop the presses and go through any extra effort to remove every single bill with the current motto. They would simply introduce the change with the next series they name from a new die. The old ones will simply be taken out of circulation like they already do with old, worn out bills.
 
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I already said they wouldn't need to stop the presses and go through any extra effort to remove every single bill with the current motto. They would simply introduce the change with the next series they name from a new die. The old ones will simply be taken out of circulation like they already do with old, worn out bills.

That's what I had already said first. Why did you disagree?
 
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That's what I had already said first. Why did you disagree?
I'm sorry. I want disagreeing with you. Just adding that afterthought of the "cost" I feel it's costing us to keep it.

Apologies if that wasn't clear in my post.
 
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People want it removed. That right there is a valid reason. It now becomes up to you to give a valid reason why it should be kept.

Valid
1. sound; just; well-founded: a valid reason.
2. producing the desired result; effective: a valid antidote for gloom.
3. having force, weight, or cogency; authoritative.
4. legally sound, effective, or binding; having legal force: a valid contract.
5. Logic. (of an argument) so constructed that if the premises are jointly asserted, the conclusion cannot be denied without contradiction.

In conclusion, simply because people want it removed is NOT a valid reason. That is like a child asking his parent why a rule exists and the parents says "because I say so." That is a totally unacceptable way to govern.
 
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