Should the government continue to go after Trump's attorneys?

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The U.S. government read privileged communications of Rudy Guiliani while he was President Trump's attorney during Trump's presidency. Now they issued a warrant for all electronics held by Guiliani, but in an early morning raid on Guiliani's home they seized almost all electronics but refused to take electronics in possession of Guiliani because they might by those of Hunter Biden's. Guiliani offered those hard drives to government agents three times. Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump? The following article discusses the law used to persecute Mayor Guiliani.
The Feds Use An Arcane Law To Persecute Rudy Giuliani | Gregg Jarrett
 

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The U.S. government read privileged communications of Rudy Guiliani while he was President Trump's attorney during Trump's presidency. Now they issued a warrant for all electronics held by Guiliani, but in an early morning raid on Guiliani's home they seized almost all electronics but refused to take electronics in possession of Guiliani because they might by those of Hunter Biden's. Guiliani offered those hard drives to government agents three times. Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump? The following article discusses the law used to persecute Mayor Guiliani.
The Feds Use An Arcane Law To Persecute Rudy Giuliani | Gregg Jarrett
You were expecting the FBI to be fair and just regarding anything to do with Trump or his associates? There are so many examples of double standards that it is almost impossible to count them all.
 
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The U.S. government read privileged communications of Rudy Guiliani while he was President Trump's attorney during Trump's presidency. Now they issued a warrant for all electronics held by Guiliani, but in an early morning raid on Guiliani's home they seized almost all electronics but refused to take electronics in possession of Guiliani because they might by those of Hunter Biden's. Guiliani offered those hard drives to government agents three times. Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump? The following article discusses the law used to persecute Mayor Guiliani.
The Feds Use An Arcane Law To Persecute Rudy Giuliani | Gregg Jarrett
Is Rudy going to be the new Thomas Jefferson to Trump’s George Washington?
 
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Is Rudy going to be the new Thomas Jefferson to Trump’s George Washington?
I doubt it, there is no indication that they differ over how the government should function. While they have differences there does not seem to be much in the way of heated disparaging remarks between them. There are certainly reasons that Trump could be justifiably unhappy with some things Rudy Guiliani did but they do not hate each other.
 
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The U.S. government read privileged communications of Rudy Guiliani while he was President Trump's attorney during Trump's presidency. Now they issued a warrant for all electronics held by Guiliani, but in an early morning raid on Guiliani's home they seized almost all electronics but refused to take electronics in possession of Guiliani because they might by those of Hunter Biden's. Guiliani offered those hard drives to government agents three times. Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump? The following article discusses the law used to persecute Mayor Guiliani.
The Feds Use An Arcane Law To Persecute Rudy Giuliani | Gregg Jarrett
Yes. Yes it is.
 
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why do you think it is OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump?
This question has nothing to do with reality. They're not "going after any attorneys who support Trump". They're going after people who potentially broke the law. Pro tip - that's what law enforcement does.
 
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This question has nothing to do with reality. They're not "going after any attorneys who support Trump". They're going after people who potentially broke the law. Pro tip - that's what law enforcement does.
That is what is known as selective law enforcement add that to your pro tips
 
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That is what is known as selective law enforcement add that to your pro tips
I'm not sure of the point. You mention something that isn't happening, and now you've given it a name. Putting a name to something which isn't happening doesn't suddenly make it appear.
 
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That is what is known as selective law enforcement add that to your pro tips
So who are they not going after that are suspected of committing crimes/they have evidence of criminal behaviour? For it to be selective, there would need to be... Well selection.
 
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Depends on what the end game is or what threat they're trying to mitigate by doing it...

Thus far, they've been pretty tight-lipped about what their purpose is for it.

If they can demonstrate some sort of tangible or compelling reason for doing so, and that it's not simply some sort of fishing expedition that's just "looking for a reason", then by all means, use the enforcement arm of the law to punish wrongdoing.

There has been some doubt cast on his account that "they took all of the electronics, but refused to take the ones that they knew belonged to Hunter"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ves-that-he-previously-said-they-already-had/


Now, if what he's saying ends up being true, then that should raise some eyebrows...

If, during the federal raid and seizures of Jared Fogle's electronic devices (when he was suspected of possessing illegal inappropriate contentography), Jared had said "these particular 3 hard drives belong to someone else" and as a result, the feds declined to take them, that would leave some people scratching their heads... if it were that easy to get law enforcement not to take certain hard drives during a raid, then literally every pedophile who gets raided would be using that line. Typically a raid with the intent of "seizing all electronic devices" from a residence means just that, ALL electronic devices.


Here's why I have some doubts about Giuliani's account of what happened.
1) The reason I mentioned above...I'm not aware of anyone getting the feds to not take a particular hard drive by claiming it was someone else's. As noted, if it were that easy, every cyber-criminal would simply claim, during the raid, that all hard drives (that contained damning material) "aren't mine, those are someone else's", and they'd be off the hook

2) His claim doesn't line up with what he's previously stated...according to his earlier accounts, he'd already shared those digital materials (pertaining to Hunter) with investigators - including the FBI.

3) If he's as shrewd of a legal mind as he claims to be and had doubts as to whether or not they would want to see Hunter Biden evidence, and wanted to "force" the FBI to confront certain materials pertaining to Hunter, he would've kept his mouth shut during the raid and allowed them to think the alleged hard drives his, which means they would've taken them with the rest of the stuff, and then came across the Hunter materials via inadvertent discovery when reviewing the drives.


Now, it's entirely possible that Rudy's account is true, but in order for it to be true, it would've meant that a couple of very unlikely things would have to be true.
- He had other hard drives, in addition to the ones he claimed the Feds already had back in October...and if he did have additional hard drives, with tangible dirt on Hunter, he would've had to been good about "keeping it to himself and not telling everyone" (not one of his strong suits over the past few years"
- The federal agents involved would've had to have been so sloppy, that didn't take a particular hard drive because the person simply said it wasn't theirs. (as noted above, not likely...if it were that easy, every cyber-criminal would use that line the moment they were raided)



All that being said, it's still quite possible that the whole thing is a politically motivated fishing expedition...or potentially a PR hit (as when feds raid someone, it's not a good public look...nobody ever remembers the 3 months after when they said "yeah, we didn't find anything", they remember the optics of police going in and walking out with boxes of stuff)

However, Rudy being Rudy, rather than just keeping his mouth shut about it and letting evidence (or lack of) speak for itself, opts to spin another tale that definitely sounds like another conspiracy theory.
 
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The article you posted, written by a Fox News analyst, bristled with bias, and so I tried to find more objective sources.

And so I looked at the NY Times.

The federal authorities have largely focused on whether Mr. Giuliani illegally lobbied the Trump administration in 2019 on behalf of Ukrainian officials and oligarchs, who were helping Mr. Giuliani’s dirt-digging campaign. At the time, Mr. Biden was a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The United States attorney’s office in Manhattan and the F.B.I. had sought for months to secure Justice Department approval to request search warrants for Mr. Giuliani’s phones and electronic devices.

Under Mr. Trump, senior political appointees in the Justice Department repeatedly sought to block the warrants, The New York Times reported, slowing the investigation as it was gaining momentum last year. After Merrick B. Garland was confirmed as Mr. Biden’s attorney general, the Justice Department lifted its objections.

F.B.I. Searches Giuliani’s Home and Office, Seizing Phones and Computers

This investigation wasn't started by the Biden administration. It was started by the Manhattan US Attorney and the FBI during the Trump adminsitration. When Barr was AG, the Justice Department kept blocking the warrants.

AG Garland is letting justice run its course. It might be a shame for Mr. Giuiliani. Had he been tried and convicted while Trump was still president, he could have been pardoned and enjoyed the rest of his life as a free man. Instead, their efforts to protect him have left him in a situation where, if convicted, no one will pardon him.

Timing is everything.
 
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That is what is known as selective law enforcement add that to your pro tips
Selective law enforcement was the Trump Justice Department blocking warrants to sideline the investigation.
 
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why do you think it is OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump?
Because they may be guilty of crimes. Seems logical to go after people who may be vile law breakers and enemies of America.
 
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Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump?
IMHO a better question should be ...Should the government allow criminals go free because of who they know, or who they work for? Seems like a dangerous precedent to me.
 
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When angered by the possible illegal acts by Trump campaign associates, deflect to Hunter Biden. Right-wing media really has created an obsession about a laptop.
A laptop of dubious provenance, to boot!
 
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I'm not sure of the point. You mention something that isn't happening, and now you've given it a name. Putting a name to something which isn't happening doesn't suddenly make it appear.
Not accepting that it exists does not make it disappear.
 
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