Should SDA's attend synagogue on Shabbat if early Jewish believers did?

[pasifika]

the question is WHY do you need grace if there is no law?!?!?

Grace didn’t come because of the law But because we are dead in our Sins and Gods loves for us...the law just revealed that we are sinners that’s it!

 

[pasifika]

Nope.. wrong answer. I did not ask you where God's grace comes from. Did you want to try again? I asked you how can you have Gods Grace if you do not have God's law? or Why do you need Gods grace if there is no law?

Well that is a wrong question Because Gods Grace does not dependent on the Law for it to come to us..Gods Grace is because Gods love for us..Is about His sovereign choice for whosoever He loves before anyone is born into this world...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Gods Grace does not comes from the law But through Jesus Christ...

So WHY do you need grace if there is no law?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Grace didn’t come because of the law But because we are dead in our Sins and Gods loves for us...the law just revealed that we are sinners that’s it!

But you say there is no law so why do you need grace?

 

[pasifika]

So WHY do you need grace if there is no law?

Because God chose you or me to be His child even before creation...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

well you need to understand how the Sinai covenant was established read Exodus 19

I understand it fully and have read it many times...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because God chose you or me to be His child even before creation...

Was there sin then? Answer the question

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Grace didn’t come because of the law But because we are dead in our Sins and Gods loves for us...the law just revealed that we are sinners that’s it!

Sin is the TRANSGRESSION of the LAW...

 

[pasifika]

But you say there is no law so why do you need grace?

Was there sin then? Answer the question

No Sin, God chose people Before creation..

 

[pasifika]

Sin is the TRANSGRESSION of the LAW...

I said Grace is Not dependents on the law...is dependent on Gods sovereign choice...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I said Grace is Not dependents on the law...is dependent on Gods sovereignty choice...

if it does not depend on the law then why do you need it if there is no sin, because sin is the transgression of the law

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No Sin, God chose people Before creation..

But sin now, why...if no law then why do you need grace?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because God chose you or me to be His child even before creation...

Yes and what happened?

 

[pasifika]

if it does not depend on the law then why do you need it if there is no sin, because sin is the transgression of the law

Gods foreknowledge, and because we are His children...

 

[pasifika]

But sin now, why...if no law then why do you need grace?

God knew the beginning to the end..There is a law called Faith..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sorry, decided to delete this one. Time to pack the pearls away for now, thanks for the discussion everyone. May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

God knew the beginning to the end..There is a law called Faith..

So you need grace because you have faith?!?!?!?!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Gods foreknowledge, and because we are His children...

that does not answer the question...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Grace didn’t come because of the law But because we are dead in our Sins and Gods loves for us...the law just revealed that we are sinners that’s it!

But if the law revealed our sin and sin is the transgression of the law then why do you say that grace did not come because of the law. You say there is no law now so what do we need grace for?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hmm... nope what I was saying is what you are quoting from nothing more and nothing less. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. These are God's Word not mine. What do you think they mean?

I have summarised your position accurately.

Your spin on scripture is that confirmation of conversion includes being able to see the fruit of keeping the law including command #4.

Almost all folks on CF do not feel obliged to heed your spin to keep #4 and you insist they will go to hell.

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