Should Revelations be studied?

[Stryder06]

Thank you. I haven't read the writings of the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith either nor do I ever intend to.
I am strictly SOLO SCRIPTURA whenever possible......which seems to be anathema to the Catholics and other Apostolic Churches.

I'm sola-scripture as well. I look at the writings of Sr. White as a "lesser-light" and I'll leave it at that lest I open the floodgates.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You're viewpoint is understandable. And you right, people shouldn't set times, or prey on the fears of others by trying to use the book of Revelation to manipulate them.

I however love prophecy, because it is the one thing that can't be disputed. It helps to validate the bible to those who don't believe, and it works to strengthen the faith, and edify the believer.

With respect to Revelation, it shows us God's hand in the affairs of man. It also shows us that the time is coming when an ultimate stand for or against God must be made, and that the wicked will receive just punishment, while the righteous will be protected. God gave us this book so that we wouldn't be left unawares of what is to come.

Greetings.

Here again is something I do not understand.
Why does punishment/judgement fall on the wicked TWICE, once at "Armegeddon" and AGAIN at "Gog-Magog"

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-leading/gathering/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the great of the God the Almighty. [Reve 20:8?]

Reve 20:8 And he shall be coming out to deceive the Nations, the in the four corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog, together-leading/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of which the Number as the Sand of the Sea. [Reve 16:14?]

 

[Stryder06]

Greetings.

Here again is something I do not understand.
Why does punishment/judgement fall on the wicked TWICE, once at "Armegeddon" and AGAIN at "Gog-Magog"

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-leading/gathering/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the great of the God the Almighty. [Reve 20:8?]

Reve 20:8 And he shall be coming out to deceive the Nations, the in the four corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog, together-leading/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of which the Number as the Sand of the Sea. [Reve 16:14?]

It is the wine of the wrath of His indignation being poured out upon the wicked. I think a better question to ask is why the wicked think they can provoke God The Almighty, who is an all consuming Fire, and think that God will not avenge Himself.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is the wine of the wrath of His indignation being poured out upon the wicked. I think a better question to ask is why the wicked think they can provoke God The Almighty, who is an all consuming Fire, and think that God will not avenge Himself.

Thank you and I agree with both YHWH and His Son Jesus as "consuming Fire".

My view is that "armegeddon" and "gog/magog" are one and the same event, otherwise, Ezekiel 38/39 would not make a lick of sense, and would seem to happen TWICE according to Amills and others view of Revelation, which is unscriptural to me. I have a study on this

Ezekiel 38:22 "And I judged him in pestilence and in blood and in downpour overflowing and Stones of Hail, Fire and Sulphur I shall rain on him and on troops of him and on peoples many ones who with him. [Revelation 16:21 and 20:9]

Reve 16:21 And great Hail as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [Ezekiel 38:22]

Reve 20:9 And they did ascend upon the breadth of the land and did *surround the camp of the Saints and the City, the beloved and descends Fire *from/out of the heaven *from the God* and devours them. [Ezkiel 38:22]

 

[Celticflower]

You're viewpoint is understandable. And you right, people shouldn't set times, or prey on the fears of others by trying to use the book of Revelation to manipulate them.

I however love prophecy, because it is the one thing that can't be disputed. It helps to validate the bible to those who don't believe, and it works to strengthen the faith, and edify the believer.

With respect to Revelation, it shows us God's hand in the affairs of man. It also shows us that the time is coming when an ultimate stand for or against God must be made, and that the wicked will receive just punishment, while the righteous will be protected. God gave us this book so that we wouldn't be left unawares of what is to come.

Which is why in my first post I said there are lessons to be learned from this book and it should be studied. But care needs to be taken to not read too much or too little into it, or to base your whole theology on it. It needs to be taken in conjunction with the rest of the Bible.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Which is why in my first post I said there are lessons to be learned from this book and it should be studied. But care needs to be taken to not read too much or too little into it, or to base your whole theology on it.

It needs to be taken in conjunction with the rest of the Bible.

AMEN!

Though I do not like to quote very many commentators here on GT [as I am mainly SOLO SCRIPTURA myself], I did find that if one studies that Book in relation to the OT/OC, it does seems to be more "Revealing".

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 2:32 A Light into a from-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations and glory of people of Thee Israel.

Revelation 1:1 A-from-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him............

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

-------One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament.
You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source!

That&#8217;s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.-----------

 

[fated]

Most Christians need to study chapter 4 and 5 and figure out if their worship resembles that in Heaven. And if not, find a place that does.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Most Christians need to study chapter 4 and 5 and figure out if their worship resembles that in Heaven. And if not, find a place that does.

I would give all that I have just to have been John in Revelation

Revelation 4:1 After these I saw, and behold! a door having been *opened in the heaven and the Voice, the first which I hear as of trumpet talking with me, *saying "ascend thou here! and I shall be showing to thee which-things is binding to be becoming after these".

Revelation 5:1 And I saw upon the right of the One-sitting upon the throne a scroll having been written within and behind/*without having been sealed to seven seals.

 

[Yarddog]

I understand what you're saying here. The thing is that God could be trying to talk to you about Revelation, but you'll never find out if you don't get into the book. The prophecy has already been given. We just have to dig deep to understand it, and by the grace of God I can promise you that he'll reveal it.

The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.

I'm no prophet, but I can't express how important it is to me to understand the books of Revelation and Daniel.

If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.

If I had any advise, it would be not to press your brain to interpret it but read it and then turn to the Spirit. When God chooses he will allow you to understand.

On a personal note, I believe that way too many people, and I do not mean you, have done damage to themselves by applying misinterpretations of Revelation to faithful Christians and their Church. These people will have to answer to God for what they have taught.

 

[Stryder06]

Which is why in my first post I said there are lessons to be learned from this book and it should be studied. But care needs to be taken to not read too much or too little into it, or to base your whole theology on it. It needs to be taken in conjunction with the rest of the Bible.

Agreed. The book should be understood the way it was meant to be.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.

If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.

If I had any advise, it would be not to press your brain to interpret it but read it and then turn to the Spirit. When God chooses he will allow you to understand.

On a personal note, I believe that way too many people, and I do not mean you, have done damage to themselves by applying misinterpretations of Revelation to faithful Christians and their Church.
These people will have to answer to God for what they have taught.

Interesting.
Would you also include in the Catholic or Orthodox Churches?

Should we trust in their interpretations any differently than the SDA's, Baptists, Lutherans or other Protestant denominations/ sects within Christianity?

Another words, do you believe the Catholic Church has the one true interpretation of Revelation? Just curious.

Btw, I would hope more Catholics [and SDA's] will vote on my Matt 24 thread in the link of my Siggy ehehe.......... Thanks and God bless

 

[Stryder06]

Thank you and I agree with both YHWH and His Son Jesus as "consuming Fire".

My view is that "armegeddon" and "gog/magog" are one and the same event, otherwise, Ezekiel 38/39 would not make a lick of sense, and would seem to happen TWICE according to Amills and others view of Revelation, which is unscriptural to me. I have a study on this

Ezekiel 38:22 "And I judged him in pestilence and in blood and in downpour overflowing and Stones of Hail, Fire and Sulphur I shall rain on him and on troops of him and on peoples many ones who with him. [Revelation 16:21 and 20:9]

Reve 16:21 And great Hail as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [Ezekiel 38:22]

Reve 20:9 And they did ascend upon the breadth of the land and did *surround the camp of the Saints and the City, the beloved and descends Fire *from/out of the heaven *from the God* and devours them. [Ezkiel 38:22]

Well the battle of Armageddon happens during the blowing of the seven trumpets, which is before the return of Christ. The verse you provided from Ezekiel would seem to correlate with the verse in Revelation that speaks of God raining fire down upon the wicked when they surround the Holy City after the 1K years.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well the battle of Armageddon happens during the blowing of the seven trumpets, which is before the return of Christ. The verse you provided from Ezekiel would seem to correlate with the verse in Revelation that speaks of God raining fire down upon the wicked when they surround the Holy City after the 1K years.

What about the Great Hail of Reve 16 and Great Supper of God of Reve 19?

Is that not also mentioned in Ezekiel 38/39? Just trying to get clarification on this from both the Catholics and SDA's. Thanks and God bless


Reve 16 and Great Hail question - Christian Forums
Reve 16 and Great Hail question

 

[Stryder06]

The point was that God will reveal what he chooses to reveal, not what we want him to reveal. Revelation was not important for me to study or he would not have stopped me. Instead, he called me to study OT scripture and he has opened my eyes to how Genesis reveals much about Jesus and Christians.

Amen to that.

If God has called you to that, then I support you. I cannot know what God has called you to do.

I wouldn't say God has called me to it per se. More so that I believe that, considering the times we're living in, end-time prophecy is important to all of God's children.

If I had any advise, it would be not to press your brain to interpret it but read it and then turn to the Spirit. When God chooses he will allow you to understand.

Trust me, this isn't anything that I can press my brain hard enough to understand. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God alone has revealed everything that I know about Revelation to me.

On a personal note, I believe that way too many people, and I do not mean you, have done damage to themselves by applying misinterpretations of Revelation to faithful Christians and their Church. These people will have to answer to God for what they have taught.

Agreed. There is a horrible promise for those who mislead people in regards to this book (and I believe it also applies to the bible as a whole).

 

[Stryder06]

What about the Great Hail of Reve 16 and Great Supper of God of Reve 19?

Is that not also mentioned in Ezekiel 38/39? Just trying to get clarification on this from both the Catholics and SDA's. Thanks and God bless


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Reve 16 and Great Hail question

In Job the Lord asks him if he knows about the hail that He has in store for the last days.

When God pours out His wrath it will be a horrible time for those who do not abide in the shadow of the Almighty.

 

[Yarddog]

I wouldn't say God has called me to it per se. More so that I believe that, considering the times we're living in, end-time prophecy is important to all of God's children.

For me, I believe as scripture says, that the end will come as a thief in the night. We cannot know, so that it why it is far more important for me to understand a message given by the Holy Spirit. God will guide his children.

Agreed. There is a horrible promise for those who mislead people in regards to this book (and I believe it also applies to the bible as a whole).

Lately, God has been pouring out to me the meaning of "feed my sheep" and what you say here has a lot to do with that. (Not Revelation, but the whole message)

 

[Stryder06]

For me, I believe as scripture says, that the end will come as a thief in the night. We cannot know, so that it why it is far more important for me to understand a message given by the Holy Spirit. God will guide his children.

Lately, God has been pouring out to me the meaning of "feed my sheep" and what you say here has a lot to do with that. (Not Revelation, but the whole message)

This one book I finished reading not too long ago commented on this.

When the 7 plagues fall upon the world, only the dead won't know that the end has come.

The fact that Christ says He will return as a theif in the night is true, but what does that really mean, considering that He Himself said that He will come with the shout of the Arch-Angel and with the trumpet of God?

There is a time coming when the cal to remain holy or to remain filthy will be made. This period of time will come upon us without our knowing it. I believe that is what Christ was referring to when He said that His coming shall be as a thief in the night.

Once that call is made, He shall be on His way.

 

[fated]

I think this thread is funny. Of course Christians think Revelations is important, its in the Bible!

 

[Yarddog]

Interesting.
Would you also include in the Catholic or Orthodox Churches?

I don't know, how have either of these Churches applied misinterpretations of Revelations to faithful Christians and their Church?

Should we trust in their interpretations any differently than the SDA's, Baptists, Lutherans or other Protestant denominations/ sects within Christianity?

I'm not sure how any of these Churches interpret Revelations. I have heard some evangelists applying some terms to the Catholic Church. I would say that "anyone" who has misinterpreted Revelation and damage another faithful Christian will have to answer to God, regardless of their Church.

Another words, do you believe the Catholic Church has the one true interpretation of Revelation? Just curious.

I don't know. I haven't looked into how the CC interprets Revelation. I do not recall the Book coming up in our readings or the Priests giving their views.

Btw, I would hope more Catholics [and SDA's] will vote on my Matt 24 thread in the link of my Siggy ehehe.......... Thanks and God bless

I try and look at it,
Bye-bye

 

[MamaZ]

I love the book of Revelation..