Should Revelations be studied?

Fireinfolding · Aug 3, 2010

brinny said:
Whoa! The deeper one goes, the more mind-boggling it is...

do ya think God preserved Cain because he was meant to have children (descendants) etc?

Thats one thing I was looking into, as Cain who is of the wicked so likewise any of us can be right? Children spiritually speaking who follow in the way of Cain, or whomever right?

I fell upon something similiar looking into Judas which speaks to the same thing.

Of Judas it says this...

Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

So above speaks of his FATHERS (those before him) which pertain to "men of Kerioth" (which is what Judas "last name" Iscariot means) and prophetically speaks of the same elsewhere as well, but below speaks of his children (them who come after him) and their desolate places (His posterity)

Here as vagabonds too....

9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually **vagabonds**, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

This was said of Cain as well

I shall be a fugitive and**a vagabond** in the earth , (hid from his face)

Same is used here in regards to Isreal...Same word **wander** here is the same as vagabond

Numbers 32:13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them **wander** in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

And it was the children of Israel that covenanted with him the thirty pieces of silver, of Christ...

Psalm 109:5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

Which to me speaks prophetically of what is prophesied here...

Prov 17:14 Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.

Where here it speaks of his posterity

Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Posterity

1) after part, end
a) end, issue, event
b) latter time (prophetic for future time)
c) posterity
d) last, hindermost

As He WENT out from them (betraying the Lord) it speaks of A THEM that WENT out from us (as well) that it could be made manifest even as they asked (among themselves) WHO is it Lord, and he gave to eat and WENT OUT even as he was manifest, as the children of God and the children of the devil are also made manifest.

This is posted only in part here, but there are comparisons

brinny · Aug 3, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
Thats one thing I was looking into, as Cain who is of the wicked so likewise any of us can be right? Children spiritually speaking who follow in the way of Cain, or whomever right?

I fell upon something similiar looking into Judas which speaks to the same thing.

Of Judas it says this...

Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

So above speaks of his FATHERS (those before him) which pertain to "men of Kerioth" (which is what Judas "last name" Iscariot means) and prophetically speaks of the same elsewhere as well, but below speaks of his children (them who come after him) and their desolate places (His posterity)

Here as vagabonds too....

9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually **vagabonds**, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

This was said of Cain as well

I shall be a fugitive and**a vagabond** in the earth , (hid from his face)

Same is used here in regards to Isreal...Same word **wander** here is the same as vagabond

Numbers 32:13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them **wander** in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

And it was the children of Israel that covenanted with him the thirty pieces of silver, of Christ...

Psalm 109:5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

Which to me speaks prophetically of what is prophesied here...

Prov 17:14 Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.

Where here it speaks of his posterity

Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Posterity

1) after part, end
a) end, issue, event
b) latter time (prophetic for future time)
c) posterity
d) last, hindermost

As He WENT out from them (betraying the Lord) it speaks of A THEM that WENT out from us (as well) that it could be made manifest even as they asked (among themselves) WHO is it Lord, and he gave to eat and WENT OUT even as he was manifest, as the children of God and the children of the devil are also made manifest.

This is posted only in part here, but there are comparisons

Whoa, i didn't know this was speaking of Judas...or of Cain......

does the Bible mention Cain having children?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 3, 2010

brinny said:
Whoa! The deeper one goes, the more mind-boggling it is...

do ya think God preserved Cain because he was meant to have children (descendants) etc?

QFT!

John 4:11 Is saying to Him, the woman "Lord! not a bucket Thou are having and the well/frear <5421> is deep/baqu <901>, whence then Thou are having the water, the living"?

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth Messager trumpets and I saw a Star out of the heaven having fallen into the land, and was given to him the key of the well/freatoV <5421> of the Abyss/abussou <12>,

brinny · Aug 3, 2010

LOL not getting it...hmmmm....is this speaking of Cain having children?

Fireinfolding · Aug 3, 2010

brinny said:
Whoa, i didn't know this was speaking of Judas...or of Cain......

does the Bible mention Cain having children?

Yeah if you follow the bishoprick of Judas to the psalms (where the apostles quote from) you can follow that which pertains to him there

Like here...

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Cain had children, check Genesis sis... although I dont really follow the fleshly lineages of the thing but more after it speaks of ones "way" according to the spirit of a thing. Sorta like how it speaks of the "way of Cain" and others

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 3, 2010

brinny said:
LOL not getting it...hmmmm....is this speaking of Cain having children?

Perhaps it is meant that the offspring of others were symbolizing the children of Cain?

Young) 1 John 3:12 not as Cain--of the evil one he was, and he did slay his brother, and wherefore did he slay him?
Because his works were evil/ponhra <4190>, and those of his brother righteous.

John 8:44 "Ye out of a father, the devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.
That one a man-killer/anqrwpoktonoV <443> was from beginning, and in the Truth not has stood, that not is Truth in him.
Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood/yeudoV <5579> out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.

Fireinfolding · Aug 3, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
Perhaps it is meant that the offspring of others were symbolizing the children of Cain?

Young) 1 John 3:12 not as Cain--of the evil one he was, and he did slay his brother, and wherefore did he slay him?
Because his works were evil/ponhra <4190>, and those of his brother righteous.

John 8:44 "Ye out of a father, the devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.
That one a man-killer/anqrwpoktonoV <443> was from beginning, and in the Truth not has stood, that not is Truth in him.
Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood/yeudoV <5579> out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.

Yes

brinny · Aug 3, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
Yeah if you follow the bishoprick of Judas to the psalms (where the apostles quote from) you can follow that which pertains to him there

Like here...

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Cain had children, check Genesis sis... although I dont really follow the fleshly lineages of the thing but more after it speaks of ones "way" according to the spirit of a thing. Sorta like how it speaks of the "way of Cain" and others

i should read Genesis in its entirety. Thanks

GratiaCorpusChristi · Aug 3, 2010

Not on ChristianForums, it shouldn't.

martymonster · Aug 3, 2010

Stryder06 said:
As Christians, and those anticipating the coming of our Lord, should it be of importance to the body of Christ to study and understand the last book of the bible?

There are many incorrect theories floating around about what Revelations teaches, this being the case, shouldn't the church have the best understanding (as good as possible that is) in regards to this book?

Even move, do you think that Revelations is important to salvation and our mission to preach the gospel?

Is it important to study the book of Revelation?

Yes of course it is!

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

And here is a second witness on that.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Of course if you think that the book of Revelation is a book of end time events that happens somewhere in the future You probably won't see the importance of it.

Why would God bother putting it there if it wasn't important?

Pro 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Pro 3:14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

bugkiller · Aug 4, 2010

Stryder06 said:
Well they did and do bind those things to their hands and foreheads, but I think you are purposefully missing the point. Having it bound to them didn't put it in them, which is where it was suppose to go. In other words, their physical "mark" did not accurately declare who their allegiance was given to, but their hearts, and actions did.

I don't see the two as being separate. If you worship the beast, you'll have his mark. If you don't you won't. You won't worship the beast and be unable to buy or sell, conversely, you won't buy and sell but not have the mark.

Now suffice it to say that I believe their will be some kind of physical medium through which they determine who can or cannot buy or sell, but that will only come after the mark has been accepted or rejected. And no I have not seen the movie you spoke of. My wife gives me enough Big Brother conspiracy plots to consider.

Not being able to buy or sell will induce many to accept the mark. Not being able to get medical care because of refusing to accept the chip is the same principle. No chip no medical care. When you can not secure goods will you take the mark (chip) in order to get your needs met? It is amazing to me that you think the purpose of mark is to worship the beast. I need to see the verse.

bugkiller

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 4, 2010

GratiaCorpusChristi said:
Not on ChristianForums, it shouldn't.

Gnarwhal · Aug 4, 2010

Not sure where the conversation has gone to since, but to answer the original post, I think that of course it should be read. It's just as important as the rest of Scripture. I just think some have a tendency to obsess over it like their deciphering hieroglyphics in an Egyptian pyramid.

Stryder06 · Aug 5, 2010

bugkiller said:
Not being able to buy or sell will induce many to accept the mark. Not being able to get medical care because of refusing to accept the chip is the same principle. No chip no medical care. When you can not secure goods will you take the mark (chip) in order to get your needs met? It is amazing to me that you think the purpose of mark is to worship the beast. I need to see the verse.

bugkiller

I'm not saying the purpose of the mark is to worship the beast. I'm saying those who will have the mark will already be worshiping the beast. Again, you're getting caught up in this physical aspect which doesn't make sense in light of what Paul says about our war being a spiritual one against wickedness in high places. Again, I believe that physical media will be used to determine those who will be allowed to buy and sell, but whatever method they employ, it will only be a physical manifestation of a spiritual condition.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2010

Chilled Water said:
Not sure where the conversation has gone to since, but to answer the original post, I think that of course it should be read. It's just as important as the rest of Scripture. I just think some have a tendency to obsess over it like their deciphering hieroglyphics in an Egyptian pyramid.

I would say this Board on CF is geared more toward those

http://www.christianforums.com/f14/
Eschatology

visionary · Aug 5, 2010

Do you think God gave Revelation to entertain the puzzle enthusiasts?

Fireinfolding · Aug 5, 2010

visionary said:
Do you think God gave Revelation to entertain the puzzle enthusiasts?

A puzzle is a problem or enigma that tests the ingenuity of the solver. Anything that is difficult to understand or make sense of A jigsaw puzzle; A riddle; To perplex (someone)

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
A puzzle is a problem or enigma that tests the ingenuity of the solver. Anything that is difficult to understand or make sense of A jigsaw puzzle; A riddle; To perplex (someone)

My bro Peter seems to agree with thee on that

[this form of #684 used reve 17:8, 11]

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all the letters speaking in them about these-things in which is difficult-to-understand who-any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rests of Writings toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>

Reve 17:8 The beast which you perceived was, and not is, and is being about to be ascending out of the abyss, and into destruction/apwleian <684> it is going away.

Fireinfolding · Aug 5, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
My bro Peter seems to agree with thee on that

[this form of #684 used reve 17:8, 11]

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all the letters speaking in them about these-things in which is difficult-to-understand who-any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rests of Writings toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>

Reve 17:8 The beast which you perceived was, and not is, and is being about to be ascending out of the abyss, and into destruction/apwleian <684> it is going away.

Rightly dividing the word of truth. Besides who gave riddles in the OT?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
Rightly dividing the word of truth. Besides who gave riddles in the OT?

Riddle me dis, riddle me dat

Isaiah 28:11 And with stammering/deriding lip and in another tongue, another He shall speak to the people, this.

Ezekiel 17:2 Son of adam, propound thou a riddle and speak thou a proverb/04912 mashal unto house of Israel

Matthew 13:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying "I will open My mouth in parables/para-bolaiV <3850>, I will utter things kept secret from the foundation/kata-bolhV <2602> of the world."

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