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Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Should Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentile support Jerusalem Third Temple?

  • Yes..... we must believe in every word of Ezekiel 40 - 48.

    Votes: 7 24.1%
  • No... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is our sacrifice.

    Votes: 17 58.6%
  • I am not certain about this yet... I will research this further.

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Yes.. but the timing must be perfect and both 2030 and 2070 could be the year?

    Votes: 1 3.4%

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And what are the stones in this temple made of?

And what is the cornerstone of that temple made of?
As I understand it, you ask questions to God, because Ezekiel's Temple is written in the Bible. I do not want to go into the theological questions of the Third Temple, which destroy the popular theological constructs of Christian religions. If you have a connection with God, then He will answer your questions.
 
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Yes.... we Christians ACTUALLY having living waters flowing from us.........
benefiting all around us...... should be the primary
fulfillment of Ezekiel 47.

I am certain though that when finally Ezekiel 47 is literally fulfilled.... and a literal
river of water is flowing from the Millennial Jerusalem Third or Fourth Temple THEN......
the metaphorical fulfillment of the most feeble resident of Jerusalem being comparable to King David..... and the least Christian being even greater than John the Baptist..........
will also come to pass!?



Mat 12:34

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
 
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50th year is also the 1st year of the next.

OK..... I did not know that at all........ very interesting indeed!

How exactly might that perhaps relate to the prediction of Rabbi Judah ben Samuel about 1917, 1967 and 2017 being all Jubilee years?

Does that mean that Rabbi Judah ben Samuel was ignorant of this aspect of the calculation of the Jubilee years??????
 
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I would love to get your reaction to this:

My conversation with the Rabbi.....
I have difficulties with the translation from English, Google helps me, but maybe I understand some things in a distorted form. Any theological construction is just a simplified scheme by which we try to understand God and His judgments.


In my theological scheme, the goat for Azazel will be 10 Tishrei, when the Eastern Gate of Ezekiel's Temple will be closed forever.

The glory of the Lord, that is, the Lord God of Israel himself, that is, the messengers of the 144,000 first-born churches from the whole period of the Church, from Shavuot 32nd to 10th Tishray of the year "X", when the doors of the Eastern Gate will be closed is for God. This is the heavenly Israel, saved, through which all Jews will be saved, all of earthly Israel.

Those denominations, religious Christian groups, whose representatives will not enter the new Temple by the Eastern Gate during the sanctification of the altar, from 1 to 10 Tishrei, will perish. They will be the "goat for Azazel."

This will be a Court analogous to the trial to which the Jews were subjected in the days of the First Coming of the Messiah. Only this time will God's Judgment over Christianity.

I deliberately exaggerate the picture with the East Gate. In fact, God's Judgment is more complicated than the trial of "entered / not entered" into the East Gate.

Therefore, I do not really understand why you think of yourself as a "goat for Azazel," when there can be no obstacles to you being "in Christ Jesus."
 
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Jews have never observed jubilee years. With respect to the period of 49 or 50 years, the sages had different opinions. The mere fact that the sages had different opinions about the period of Yovel indicates that this law was never observed.

Several years ago I tried to restore the consistency of all the jubilee years of Israel. The time for the building of the Temple by King Shlomo I took from the directories, there is an approximate date.

The period of the Judges, I diligently sum all times from the book of Judges.

975 + 480 - 40 + 7 = 1422 BC. taking into account 2 Mack. 6:49 rounded to 1423 BC. This is the date of entry into the Land of the Covenant.

After that, I spent a very long time sorting out some significant events in the history of Israel, the history of the Church and the history of the whole world, which could indicate some signs in the jubilee years that people did not observe, but which God remembered for certain.

Such coincidences were exactly 7, the first two are described in the Bible. In all cases, there is a semantic roll with the law of the jubilee year, or with the vector of the transformation of the Church of Jesus Christ, through "death," "burial," the "disintegration of the Body," and then the expansion of the New Testament ideas to the whole world - Antichrist (1812), liberation from slavery in Russia and America (1861).

Then I realized that I had found "voices of seven thunders" ... At first I decided that by the 70th Jubilee the Temple would be built. Therefore, on September 29, 2008, I sat by the radio and waited for a sign. The sign was weak: 777 points of the Dow Jones fall marked a wave of crisis.
 
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OK..... I did not know that at all........ very interesting indeed!

This is NOT the case.
100 years is exactly 2 jubilees.

In the time of Yeshua this was the common orthodox belief, Yeshua never contradicted them on this important, fundamental issue and the only ones who deviated from this were the Sadducees.

Yeshua told us to follow the halacha of the Pharisees (Matt 23:3) and we're told that Pharisees interacted with him and followed him, but we're never told of a Sadducee ever following Yeshua.

Any theory to the contrary ultimately puts one in the position of knowing more than Yeshua and finishing what he left undone.
 
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It is YESHUA who after his return will build the temple of Ezekiel
Yeshua will never come until we build Ezekiel's Temple. Because Jesus Christ must not come in the form He was before, but in the form of "clouds," that is, the crowd of Christians entering the Eastern Gate of the Temple. This Temple is the "Second Coming of Jesus Christ".

When we read "in heaven," we make a substitute for "in the Spirit." Because the "Kingdom of Heaven" is not a cosmic space, but our mutual relations in the Spirit of Jesus Christ. The Sign of Jesus Christ in Heaven is the Third Temple, the crowds of believers and the marriage feast in the wilderness of Israel, in the sight of the whole world. Therefore, they will weep that they did not have time to ascend there: the Eastern Gate will be opened 10 days, from 1 to 10 Tishrei. The lost tribes of Israel will return, the earthly Israel will take them into their bosom. The two sticks in Ezekiel's hand will become one. The time of the Church will end.

And the world will weep. Because they will remain outside the Kingdom.

The name of Jesus Christ in the Second Coming will be:

ISRAEL.

 
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One of the major purposes of the return of Messiah is to house of Judah (Jews) with the house of Jacob (The lost 10)
 
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Someone may have previously posted the following, but if not will paste the following partial quote from Chabad's website ...
When Solomon built the temple, he also built an aqueduct that supplied spring water to the Temple Mount. Solomon built an excellent engineered water aqueduct system from Hebron, near Bethlehem to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in about 950 BC. Evidently this water system was incorporated as a major design of Soloman's Temple itself. Solomon knew that the Gihon spring in the City of David did not have enough "head" (water pressure or lift) to supply water to the Temple Mount situated above David's Palace and the City of David.

Water would be a major need to wash the blood away and keep the area from putrefying. A large water supply would be needed. This aqueduct provided the "spring water" that Aristeas was referring to:
Solomon's Aqueduct was primarily fed by the Ain Etan spring. This complex of nearby springs that fed Solomon's three pools is more likely what Aristeas was referring to--not the Gihon spring that supplied water to David's Palace and the "City of David" located on a lower grade than the Temple Mount.

It's possible that the current landscape of the present Temple Mount will be dramatically altered as "Ezekiel's Temple" will need considerably more acreage (+500 acres) than presently exits at either the Temple Mount or over David's Palace that was supplied with water from the Gihon Spring in the City of David.
Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.​

Does Messianic Judaism believe "Ezekiel's Temple" (occupying 512.5 acres) will be under construction and possibly even finished before Messiah Yeshua returns or only existing after the fact as a supernatural phenomenon when/after Yeshua returns to the Mount of Olives (after the earthquake that splits the Mount of Olives in two)?
 
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Thank you immensely for all this fascinating information about the Ezekiel temple.
 
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When a Jew prays to GOD, GOD will hear his prayers. And GOD will open his eyes to THE TRUTH

Yes.... and as more Messianic Jews and Christians look into Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 this will tend to cause more Orthodox Jews to wonder what Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would have thought about the Jerusalem Temple of his time period.
 
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Wow!!!!!

Great answer ProtectionET!
 
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What are the stones in Ezekiel's temple made of and what is the cornerstone?


1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.


What did Jesus say to the woman at the well when she said that Jerusalem was the place to worship?
Did he tell her she was correct?


Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


If we took all of those who have placed their faith in Christ and put them shoulder to shoulder, how big would this living temple be?

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All very true...... but this still does not contradict the way that the first and second century Messianic Jewish community lived side by side with Jews........ and honoured the Second Temple rituals and sacrifices..........
right up until the Bar Kochba Revolt.........
when the Rabbinic Jewish community finally separated almost totally from the Messianic Jewish community.......
 
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What do you personally think of the Bob Jones prophecy about a fearless army of Russian Christians and Messianic Jews being raised up ProtectionET?



Bob Jones

 
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Though I firmly believe that the Jews are still blessed by God and that they should be supported in their efforts to live in their own country safely---I do not believe that we should support the building of their temple. It may well be that it will be built, but it is something that they alone must do. At the death of Christ, the temple veil was torn and His sacrifice marked the end of animal sacrifice for sins as He is that sacrifice. To go back to animal sacrifice is to truly reject that sacrifice. This is a lesson that they must learn on their own. I do not believe that, if they build it, God will honor that temple with the holy fire that engulfs the sacrifice as in the old days. However, we must bear this in mind if fire from heaven should happen:
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
 
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You could be correct........
I really don't know for certain......
but I did really like the article on a modern Christian political Cyrus by a man from Uganda who I get the impression had a near death experience during one of his bouts with malaria.

I quote his article in post #1 here....


Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?
 
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