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Does a woman have a heart?So women can't be Jews?
DennisTate said:I agree... we do have an example of Paul / Rav Shaul making an offering according to the law of Moses...... in order to take a Nazarite vow for a period of time...... probably at least for a number of months or a year.
Act 18:18
"And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow."
Act 21:23
"Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;"
Perhaps only out of obligation. If those men entered their vow before receiving Yeshua as Savior, then they were obligated to fulfill their vow.Excellent point!!!!! It shows that Christians were still making sacrifices at the Temple.
Are we talking about figurative spiritual Jews, or are we talking about real Jews?Does a woman have a heart?
A Jew was never a Jew outwardly
And circumcision is of the heart
The covenant was supposed to have moved off the stone tablets upon the fleshly tablets of our heart
In Acts 21, we see a Christian making a new vow, AFTER he had become a Christian, and Paul is going with him to help him with the sacrifice.Perhaps only out of obligation. If those men entered their vow before receiving Yeshua as Savior, then they were obligated to fulfill their vow.
I don't see anything in Acts 21 that says that. It simply says four men "have a vow on them".In Acts 21, we see a Christian making a new vow, AFTER he had become a Christian, and Paul is going with him to help him with the sacrifice.
True.....
and of what nature will that faith be?
Is our faith in the words of Ezekiel somewhat
infected by an anti-Semitic bias that goes back many centuries?
It takes a while for Christianity to fully get out of the ideas that Reformer Martin Luther had on the Jewish people and their role........
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies"
I think he was referring not to himself being full or reaching his own fullness, per se but that there are many more unbelievers out there that need to come under the Shepherd, so adding more people to the number of Christ's Own.
He can correct me if I am wrong about this, but that is how I read it.
I believe sir that Christians will be preaching the unnecessary need for the temple and the man of sin won't like it
It's good to come up to the altar and offer another sacrifice in a another temple before God?Exceedingly. Why wouldn't I be joyful about something good in scripture?
Please clarify these contradictionsWhen you say Christians are you referring to messianics as well? Should not your warning also reach the hearts of messianics?
Remember what scriptures says for those who keep the commandments of god but have the testimony of Yahshua ... beheadings , and being cut off so again the temple is not a good sign for those outside of Judaism or for Jews who remain in the faith in Yahshua.... that keeping the commandments is not enough... one must deny Yahshua to live in that era
We must keep his words in our hearts and heed to his forseen warning...if we deny him, he will deny us before his father ...
Please clarify these contradictions
Those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of JESUS do not mix old wine into new wine
If they have the testimony of JESUS they testify of and hold to HIM
And they certainly would not be offering sacrifices to GOD if they had understood that HE entered in for them
It says they are going to shave their heads, meaning their vows are ending, which requires a sacrifice. It also says Paul is to help offer the sacrifice. Here are the pertinent verses:I don't see anything in Acts 21 that says that. It simply says four men "have a vow on them".
Because it is a good and beautiful way to worship and praise God, a way that the Bible has shown He appreciates.It's good to come up to the altar and offer another sacrifice in a another temple before God?
Why is it good?
My original view was that the four believers may have sacrificed in order to fulfill a vow they entered into BEFORE receiving Yeshua as Savior in which case the sacrifice was obligatory. You countered by telling me Acts 21 refers to A/one Christian making a NEW vow AFTER becoming a Christian. It says no such thing about a new vow after becoming a Christian. Nor does it refer to only one Christian. Nor were the believers called "Christians" in that passage. They are simply called "men", no doubt from the thousands of "Jews" that "believe" and keep Torah.It says they are going to shave their heads, meaning their vows are ending, which requires a sacrifice. It also says Paul is to help offer the sacrifice. Here are the pertinent verses:
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law....
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Offering sacrifices in a rebuilt temple?Because it is a good and beautiful way to worship and praise God, a way that the Bible has shown He appreciates.
One under a Nazarite vow could not cut his hair until the days of his vow ended (Numbers 6:5). Then he shaved his head (Numbers 6:13, 18).It is written not to make vows.
That our yes should be yes and our no should be no
Paul did make a vow
And further why are these men who supposedly made a vow shaving their heads?
I thought when one made a vow they were not to cut their hair for as long and they had promised a vow
Yes. But unless I am misrepresenting the poster these came into the temple after their hair was shaved meaning they were coming to be purifiedOne under a Nazarite vow could not cut his hair until the days of his vow ended (Numbers 6:5). Then he shaved his head (Numbers 6:13, 18).
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