Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

[miknik5]

So women can't be Jews?

Does a woman have a heart?

A Jew was never a Jew outwardly
And circumcision is of the heart

The covenant was supposed to have moved off the stone tablets upon the fleshly tablets of our heart

 

[miknik5]

by the NEW COVENANT in HIS BLOOD

It should have

 

[gadar perets]

I agree... we do have an example of Paul / Rav Shaul making an offering according to the law of Moses...... in order to take a Nazarite vow for a period of time...... probably at least for a number of months or a year.

Act 18:18

"And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow."

Act 21:23

"Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;"

Excellent point!!!!! It shows that Christians were still making sacrifices at the Temple.

Perhaps only out of obligation. If those men entered their vow before receiving Yeshua as Savior, then they were obligated to fulfill their vow.

 

[Meowzltov]

And you're happy?

Exceedingly. Why wouldn't I be joyful about something good in scripture?

 

[Meowzltov]

Does a woman have a heart?

A Jew was never a Jew outwardly
And circumcision is of the heart

The covenant was supposed to have moved off the stone tablets upon the fleshly tablets of our heart

Are we talking about figurative spiritual Jews, or are we talking about real Jews?

 

[Meowzltov]

Perhaps only out of obligation. If those men entered their vow before receiving Yeshua as Savior, then they were obligated to fulfill their vow.

In Acts 21, we see a Christian making a new vow, AFTER he had become a Christian, and Paul is going with him to help him with the sacrifice.

 

[gadar perets]

In Acts 21, we see a Christian making a new vow, AFTER he had become a Christian, and Paul is going with him to help him with the sacrifice.

I don't see anything in Acts 21 that says that. It simply says four men "have a vow on them".

 

[dfw69]

True.....
and of what nature will that faith be?

Is our faith in the words of Ezekiel somewhat
infected by an anti-Semitic bias that goes back many centuries?

It takes a while for Christianity to fully get out of the ideas that Reformer Martin Luther had on the Jewish people and their role........

Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies"

I don't know Martin luthers writtings

the faith that will be lost is faith that Yahshua is the promised messiah because many messiahs will come as well as false prophets in the name of prosemiticism

It is written that the children of Israel will become as the sands of the sea yet a remnant will come to serve Yahshua in the end... so an explosion of Judaism is prophecied and many will become one with Israel as the sands of the sea during the false messianic age

 

[dfw69]

I think he was referring not to himself being full or reaching his own fullness, per se but that there are many more unbelievers out there that need to come under the Shepherd, so adding more people to the number of Christ's Own.

He can correct me if I am wrong about this, but that is how I read it.

Yes your understanding was correct

 

[dfw69]

I believe sir that Christians will be preaching the unnecessary need for the temple and the man of sin won't like it

When you say Christians are you referring to messianics as well? Should not your warning also reach the hearts of messianics?

Remember what scriptures says for those who keep the commandments of god but have the testimony of Yahshua ... beheadings , and being cut off so again the temple is not a good sign for those outside of Judaism or for Jews who remain in the faith in Yahshua.... that keeping the commandments is not enough... one must deny Yahshua to live in that era

We must keep his words in our hearts and heed to his forseen warning...if we deny him, he will deny us before his father ...

 

[miknik5]

Exceedingly. Why wouldn't I be joyful about something good in scripture?

It's good to come up to the altar and offer another sacrifice in a another temple before God?

Why is it good?

 

[miknik5]

When you say Christians are you referring to messianics as well? Should not your warning also reach the hearts of messianics?

Remember what scriptures says for those who keep the commandments of god but have the testimony of Yahshua ... beheadings , and being cut off so again the temple is not a good sign for those outside of Judaism or for Jews who remain in the faith in Yahshua.... that keeping the commandments is not enough... one must deny Yahshua to live in that era

We must keep his words in our hearts and heed to his forseen warning...if we deny him, he will deny us before his father ...

Please clarify these contradictions

Those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of JESUS do not mix old wine into new wine

If they have the testimony of JESUS they testify of and hold to HIM

And they certainly would not be offering sacrifices to GOD if they had understood that HE entered in for them

 

[dfw69]

Please clarify these contradictions

Those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of JESUS do not mix old wine into new wine

If they have the testimony of JESUS they testify of and hold to HIM

And they certainly would not be offering sacrifices to GOD if they had understood that HE entered in for them

No I agree... they must come to that conclusion individually if the temple were available

 

[Meowzltov]

I don't see anything in Acts 21 that says that. It simply says four men "have a vow on them".

It says they are going to shave their heads, meaning their vows are ending, which requires a sacrifice. It also says Paul is to help offer the sacrifice. Here are the pertinent verses:

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law....

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

 

[Meowzltov]

It's good to come up to the altar and offer another sacrifice in a another temple before God?

Why is it good?

Because it is a good and beautiful way to worship and praise God, a way that the Bible has shown He appreciates.

 

[gadar perets]

It says they are going to shave their heads, meaning their vows are ending, which requires a sacrifice. It also says Paul is to help offer the sacrifice. Here are the pertinent verses:

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law....

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

My original view was that the four believers may have sacrificed in order to fulfill a vow they entered into BEFORE receiving Yeshua as Savior in which case the sacrifice was obligatory. You countered by telling me Acts 21 refers to A/one Christian making a NEW vow AFTER becoming a Christian. It says no such thing about a new vow after becoming a Christian. Nor does it refer to only one Christian. Nor were the believers called "Christians" in that passage. They are simply called "men", no doubt from the thousands of "Jews" that "believe" and keep Torah.

 

[miknik5]

Because it is a good and beautiful way to worship and praise God, a way that the Bible has shown He appreciates.

Offering sacrifices in a rebuilt temple?

How so when the word of GOD which was to point us to CHRIST not only declared men uncplean but the offerings as well

Who can bring before GOD a clean offering I f the Word of GOD already declared unclean

And anyone washed by the blood of the ONE who is both THE HOLY ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST and HOLY OFFERING would never offer a substitute before GOD

Sacrifices and burnt offerings you did not desire

But a body you prepared
And I said lo," it is written of me, I come to do your will "

All are called to look to THE SON
And all are called to have the right covering before coming up on the altar into the Holy Presence of God

If they don't?
It's as strange Fire before HIM

 

[miknik5]

It is written not to make vows.

That our yes should be yes and our no should be no

Paul did make a vow

And further why are these men who supposedly made a vow shaving their heads?

I thought when one made a vow they were not to cut their hair for as long and they had promised a vow

 

[gadar perets]

It is written not to make vows.

That our yes should be yes and our no should be no

Paul did make a vow

And further why are these men who supposedly made a vow shaving their heads?

I thought when one made a vow they were not to cut their hair for as long and they had promised a vow

One under a Nazarite vow could not cut his hair until the days of his vow ended (Numbers 6:5). Then he shaved his head (Numbers 6:13, 18).

 

[miknik5]

One under a Nazarite vow could not cut his hair until the days of his vow ended (Numbers 6:5). Then he shaved his head (Numbers 6:13, 18).

Yes. But unless I am misrepresenting the poster these came into the temple after their hair was shaved meaning they were coming to be purified

They had finished their vow

I thought the poster was implying that they were making a vow