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Should Christians watch Game of Thrones?

Discussion in 'The Small Screen' started by GirlonFire89, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. NothingIsImpossible

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    Better question is how old are you? Because obviously you don't have much to do in it if all you do is troll christian forums. But to be fair I remember psychology said often online trolls/bullies pick on others to make themselves feel better about something in their own lives. And in alot of cases they tend to pick on those who have problems similar to theirs. So does this mean you used to be a christian perhaps?
     
  2. Murby

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    So instead of just answering my question, your response is to initiate a personal attack on each of your replies so far.
    Yup.. when you squeeze a christian, very predictable response there.
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  3. Julie.S

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    To me its a show and not real at all. I would watch it if I had the channel its on but I do not. I do watch The Walking Dead though when I can. I love that show.

    I keep my fiction and reality away from each other as much as I can.
     
  4. NothingIsImpossible

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    Well since you were the one attacking everyone else first... >.>
     
  5. JackKerouac

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    Which makes it more baffling that you couldn't follow it.
    No, you didn't just simply ask what was the big deal about lust. You had to throw in "and you all are worried about lust? ROFLMAO" and "Man.. you can't buy the kind of entertainment that takes place in this forum... Truth is always stranger than fiction."

    Did you forget that part? It's right there on the first page as a record.
    You still haven't explained to me what I said that was pompous. Was it pompous of me to state what people's concerns actually were? Was it pompous of me to suggest that you and others were attempting to minimize lust and be condescending toward those who struggled with it? Was it pompous of me to characterize your post (containing the quotes I included above) as being snarky and rude? You might not agree with those statements, but to characterize them as pompous seems to betray a misunderstanding of that word.
    Yeah, you kinda did. When you take something someone is saying, particularly something they clearly feel strongly about, and basically make fun of it saying it means nothing, that's minimizing it.
    You clearly did more than that, as I showed above.
    If you think I was being wacky, you've clearly got a low frustration tolerance for wackness (which, by the way, is a moderately decent movie). And I accused you of being condescending becuase you were.
    Oh, but you're wrong. Lust indeed has quantifiable effects on other people. Infidelity? Divorce? Sexual assaults? Are none of those indications of quantifiable effects on other people? Shoot, wars have been fought as a result of lust. Also, you don't get to determine what effects these things do or do not have on other people. I know what effects lust has had on me and you don't get to say it has had no effect on me. Keep in mind that, when I (and, I believe, others here) use the word lust, I'm not just talking about sexual attraction and desire, neither of which most Christians have any problem with.
    Except it's not. First of all, this statement makes absolutely no sense. Secondly, my insinuation was based on the fact that, by all reasonable measures, you were being snarky and rude. You're not the first person to be that way on an internet forum and you won't be the last. Don't make such a big deal of it.
    I haven't answered this question for you because it's not the topic I was addressing with you. That being said, most Christians believe that lust is a big deal is because it is a sin and often leads to more sins. It also has negative impact on my relationships to other people and to God. So, while my lusting may not have much impact on most people around me (although, as I showed earlier, it could), it is a concern to me and other Christians because I don't want to sin, be led to sin, or have damaged relationships because of it.
    Oh my jeepers. Do you seriously think that's what you have done? You've done nothing of the sort. First of all, nothing I've said has been irrational. Secondly, nothing you have said has effectively countered anything I've said. I didn't even realize you were attempting to prove me to be irrational. Oh well...
    And here's where we get to the heart of the matter. This is a Christian forum. In fact, that's the name of the place. Christian Forums. Does it surprise you that many people on a Christian forum are going to have a Christian worldview and perspective on things? Do you really think it's appropriate for you to come to a Christian forum and make these kinds of vicious digs at Christianity and Christians? Do you think maybe that's why you might be seen as rude and as minimizing people's beliefs? I don't have a problem with folks who are not Christians posting here. I actually think that can add a lot to the discussions, whether they're serious or just for fun. But when I travel to another culture, and I know I'm in a culture that clearly differs from my own, I'm not going to sit at the table of someone from that culture and make fun of their culture in general or things about their culture. And if I do, I'm certainly in no place to get agitated and defensive about how they might react to what I've done. I invite you to consider how having that same attitude might enable you to have more respectful and productive disagreements. In fact, I would love it if you and I were quite done with this tit-for-tat and could carry on with a respectful, productive discussion.
     
  6. JackKerouac

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    I think this points to an important principle: Depiction is not endorsement. We Christians often lose sight of the fact that not every portrayal of a sin or bad behavior in a movie, tv show, or book is an endorsement of that behavior. We all seem to get this if it's the mean kid bullying Opie on the Andy Griffith show, but we can lose sight of it when it's a character on a cable show murdering a family member, or something like that. Of course it does get it all muddled quite often when shows are so full of ambiguous characters, and when they're written in such ways that are clearly designed to make us cheer for someone who is clearly doing a lot of bad things. But I think it's pretty misguided to believe that, if a character on Game of Thrones rapes another character, the writers must be endorsing rape and expecting us to be ok with it as well.
     
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  7. Julie.S

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    I just see people having a small panic attack at the smallest things in a show and I just wonder why worry it's a tv show and honestly you can stop watching when you want.
     
  8. MelissaUK

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    But Game of Thrones is pornography? Just violence and sex, and the actors are engaging in sin.

    A girl at school showed some on her tablet and I could not help watching and could hardly believe my eyes. Is it not pornography if there is a story? It made me wonder how the actresses had been brought up with no shame. I have never seen pornography but I couldn't wash what I had seen from my head or stop thinking about it for ages. It was bad.
     
  9. Julie.S

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    It's a TV show about fictional people in a fictional world doing fictional things. No one is also making anyone watch it who does not want to.

    Some people like it and some don't. I'm not going to shame people who like it or don't like it for their decision. It's all their choice and they have that right.
     
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  11. Kira23

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    I'm disappointed and horrified that Christian men watch and enjoy this show. It IS pornography, that is irrefutable [obviously, being HBO, we are only talking about FEMALE nudity, of course, not male]. But beyond this fact, it's not just porn, it's RAPE porn, it's INCEST porn, and the whole show reeks of sexual enjoyment of women's suffering. One pictures nasty men with a hand down their pants jerking off to the sight of a little girl getting raped. It appalls me that I have to say to Christian men, please for the sake of your souls don't watch this show. It's especially galling to even have to say this, because out in the REAL WORLD, Christian girls are getting shamed for wearing tank tops, while their brothers and fathers are getting hard-ons from watching what is basically hardcore porn on HBO. That is just flat out hypocrisy. Why do men watch it? So they can look at boobs, watch women scream and get raped, and feel big and strong and manly. Makes me kind of sick. What happened to what Jesus said? If you look at a woman with lust in your hearts, you are guilty of adultery. Period. I would say this show constitutes more than just looking at a woman. It's getting off on female subjugation and sexual torture. That's not Christian. That's devil worship.
     
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  12. Kira23

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    To be more accurate, "Naked [women] tempting [male] viewers to lust [at the sight of those women getting raped] is a real thing [on a growing number of television shows, but most egregiously on GoT], despite the efforts of you and others [like women who realize that rape occurs to a woman every 6 seconds in this country and the last thing we need to do is fetishize it] and condescend toward those who struggle with it [because they have probably watched porn since they were 11, the average age of American boys' exposure to porn; studies have shown that the longer a man or boy watches it, THE MORE EXTREME the porn needs to be in order to produce an erection. So GoT fits the bill, with its' rapes of little girls, pregnant women getting stabbed in the stomach, etc.]
     
  13. Hetta

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    I was thinking about this laying awake last night. What if the Bible were adapted for a lengthy teleplay, every single part of it I mean, not just the NT. So, all those battles, wiping out of mankind, all the "begetting" - what would that look like? What if the flood were shown in full detail - men, women, babies, the elderly, the disabled - gasping and fighting for breath, going under, coming back up, going under again and finally drowning. All while Noah smugly floats on by. What about the genocide of the Canaanites or Amalekites? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The murder of the firstborn? What about when Sarah was turned to a pillar of salt for turning back? This is the real Bible, just nobody bothers with the parts they can't explain. If the Bible was adapted for the screen, it would look quite similar to GoT.
     
  14. Hetta

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    Can you cite those studies please.

    Oh, and myself, and millions of other women watch GoT. We're well aware of rape, and aren't at all aroused. So are our souls at risk? Or just men's souls?
     
  15. NothingIsImpossible

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    Well I'd say if we use the bible being NC-17 as a reason to watch GoT then in that case we should also watch porn, do drugs, sleep around and kill people. I've watched some pretty bad things in my life but GoT just crosses into very dangerous territory for christians. Even non-christians, especially women, will not watch the show just do to the fact theres graphic sex not only of adults but of incest and children/rape.

    Sure, Maybe no one is turned on by anything (they shouldn't be obviously) but this is definitely one those times when Jesus would be like "Please child be careful about watching shows like Walked Dead, but I forbid GoT. It is the opposite of everything I have taught you. Now you are willing to watch children being raped and murdered just to feel entertained?".

    I consider GoT to basically be softcore porn. With some thrown in incest, bestiality, pedophilia, LGBT...etc.
     
  16. Kira23

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    So the standard is not whether a woman is raped, humiliated, women paraded around naked in a ridiculously obvious pandering to male genital stimulation, but whether women viewers are aroused by it? So...if lesbians are aroused, it's wrong, but if straight women are not, then....all this violence against women is okay? Not following. The question is, is it morally wrong to show such an extraordinary amount of sexual violence against women, such that a Christian should seriously consider whether he or she should tacitly approve such depictions by watching it. And scripture, and my morals, and my understanding of the wider pandemic of real-life violence against women is an unequivocal no. Now, I can't stop someone from watching torture porn like this, obviously, nor would I. But don't kid yourself it is a Christian activity, because we all know it isn't.
     
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    This made me think even more on what I said. If we are to ignore certain elements based on <insert reasons> then technically speaking I can watch hardcore porn and just ignore the sex/nudity and just enjoy the story right? lol
     
  18. SnowyMacie

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    If your convictions tell you to not watch the show, then don't watch the show, but don't go around acting like you have the moral high ground for doing so. The way that I personally see this whole fiasco, and it applies to The Walking Dead as well, since that's been mentioned is that it's a very realistic and detailed depiction of what that type of society would be like. In a Feudal, patriarchial society like Westeros, I would expect it to be violent, rampant prostitution and sex exploitation (for the record, most of the women that are characters in the show are not sex objects but powerful, strong women). In other words, it's more about what makes sense for the story than what is appropriate and moral.

    I don't even remotely see myself as participation or even condoning the actions committed by characters on a fictional TV show. The way that I see it is that it's simply not real, it's acting out fictional scenes. I'm a writer, and the most recent story I've written, my first novel, if it were ever made into a movie would be rated-R due to violence, language, and some sensual themes. The way that I see that when I write my characters cursing, committing violent acts, or getting nude is that it is not me doing those things, but people who do not exist because their fictional characters. Many actors I've heard say similar things about this, they are not their character and they themselves are not doing and saying what their characters are doing and saying.

    Anyway, specifically about Game of Thrones a lot of people like to attack it for it's nudity and call it soft core pornography. While it's true the first season has quite a bit of nudity and sex scenes, even then it was such a non-factor in the story that you stopped noticing it after a while, the number of them have greatly decreased as the story has progressed, which is about really one long war between several noble families (based on the real life "War of the Roses"). In this past season in fact, I can't even remember a single moment of nudity (I even said last August much closer to the actual airing of Season 6).
     
  19. Hetta

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    Why is it okay for you to watch some pretty bad things but nobody else watch GoT? No children are raped on GoT. None. Zero. You evidently haven't watched it. I also know many women who watch it, many of whom are Christians. Because they can separate fact and fiction.

    What does the Bible being NC17 have to do with watching porn, doing drugs and sleeping around? Many drugs are legal, having consensual sex is legal, whereas murder is not. Why equate those three things? Do you really believe that consensual sex = murder?

    By your own admission you haven't seen GoT, so you don't get to consider it as anything really, because you're basing your opinion on the opinions of others.
     
  20. Hetta

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    That's a false equivalency. Hardcore porn is only about sex. GoT does have a very complicated, vital story, of which the few sex scenes are merely a sprinkling. But I guess you're someone else who hasn't seen it, but you're basing your opinion of what other people have told you.
     
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