Should Christians take up arms ?

[98cwitr]

Christ also said "love your enemy" and you cant really "love your enemy" and kill them at the same time.

 

[JM]

To "love your enemy" is an allusion to the OT and means that we must treat our enemies lawfully. An eye for an eye and all that. The scripture you reference is found in Lev. 19.18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

Exo 23:4,5 If thou meet thine enemy’s ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.

Pro 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

Pro 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:

Pro 29:10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright: but the just seek his soul.

 

[98cwitr]

To "love your enemy" is an allusion to the OT and means that we must treat our enemies lawfully. An eye for an eye and all that. The scripture you reference is found in Lev. 19.18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

Exo 23:4,5 If thou meet thine enemy’s ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.

Pro 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

Pro 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:

Pro 29:10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright: but the just seek his soul.

By which Law should we treat them?

 

[classicalhero]

Christ also said "love your enemy" and you cant really "love your enemy" and kill them at the same time.

What happens if your enemy comes at you to kill you, do just try and love him or defend yourself? The OT is perfectly fine with you killing someone if your life is at risk.

 

[98cwitr]

What happens if your enemy comes at you to kill you, do just try and love him or defend yourself? The OT is perfectly fine with you killing someone if your life is at risk.

Like in the video, what if the person trying to kill you is your own son or daughter...then how do you handle it?

What about the NT?

 

[JM]

You treat a violent attacker trying to kill you lawfully. The NT restates the moral Law (Decalogue) over 800 times with applicable spiritual elements reinforced by Jesus Christ. Christ expanded the application of the Law throughout the NT.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[98cwitr]

You treat a violent attacker trying to kill you lawfully. The NT restates the moral Law (Decalogue) over 800 times with applicable spiritual elements reinforced by Jesus Christ. Christ expanded the application of the Law throughout the NT.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

So by Decalogue we should treat an attacker? How is the Decalogue applicable?

Imagine something for me if you would. When 9/11 happened, instead of Bush sending troops over to Afghanistan and Iraq, what if we (that is, the Christian community) had a nation-wide day of prayer for those who attacked us? What would that look like to you?

 

[Righttruth]

Two Swords: Enough Jun17

Luke 22
37 For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’

It is clear that possessing a weapon would mean a transgression. We are counted as transgressors if we possessed weapons meant for killing. So a disciple is not supposed to have them.

 

[98cwitr]

It is clear that possessing a weapon would mean a transgression. We are counted as transgressors if we possessed weapons meant for killing. So a disciple is not supposed to have them.

I shall be counted then.

 

[mikedsjr]

It is clear that possessing a weapon would mean a transgression. We are counted as transgressors if we possessed weapons meant for killing. So a disciple is not supposed to have them.

Where does Scripture say this?

 

[counJS]

God never condemned David for being a solider and supporting his nation. I don't believe it is wrong for believers to fight for their country either. We need to pray for our government and support it as much as we can.

 

[Righttruth]

I shall be counted then.

Yes, if you believed in Jesus.

 

[Righttruth]

God never condemned David for being a solider and supporting his nation. I don't believe it is wrong for believers to fight for their country either. We need to pray for our government and support it as much as we can.

That is OT stuff. Samuel Johnson said, "Patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel!" I believe in that!

 

[Righttruth]

Where does Scripture say this?

Luke 22:37 For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’

 

[98cwitr]

This is an interesting verse on the subject:

Romans 13:4
For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Rulers bear swords? hmmmm

 

[JM]

So by Decalogue we should treat an attacker? How is the Decalogue applicable?

Imagine something for me if you would. When 9/11 happened, instead of Bush sending troops over to Afghanistan and Iraq, what if we (that is, the Christian community) had a nation-wide day of prayer for those who attacked us? What would that look like to you?

You're mixing ideas.

First, the moral law of God is eternal, the Reformers recognized this law as natural law, and Baptists agreed that "the general equity of the law" still applies today. For further reading see: http://confessingbaptist.com/1-cor-513-is-the-general-equity-of-deut-2221-brandon-adams/

Second, I'm not a Neo-Con so I do not agree that invading another country is self defense. You are using a secular argument made by Republicans to justify violence that I disagree with. It would be too far off topic to discuss here but I would say the "war" was over oil and not a biblical principle.

Third, what's wrong with prayer and defending oneself? Nothing. The War Psalms are a good place to start for examples.

Yours in the Lord.

 

[JM]

This is an interesting verse on the subject:

Romans 13:4
For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Rulers bear swords? hmmmm

Romans 13.1 tells us to be subject to those in authority...that would mean if you're drafted to the army you must go...or is it optional?

 

[JM]

98, you're SOOooo close to be a Reformed Baptist! Lol

 

[98cwitr]

98, you're SOOooo close to be a Reformed Baptist! Lol

hahaha....good one I read the link, but I think I need to read it a few more times...as the charts might have made full circle in my brain. More to come when it's not after 11PM at night.

 

[Righttruth]

This is an interesting verse on the subject:

Romans 13:4
For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Rulers bear swords? hmmmm

That is their political world. We don't belong to that kind of a kingdom.