Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[servantofiam]

Spiritual warfare happens even now to all believers. There’s only one thing we come back to after that spiritual battle which will be our help in future battles. S d in fact, decreases the intensity of the battle.

I don’t believe we have to wait til the tribulation to experience spiritual warfare. In fact, going through trials and tribulations now is necessary for it teaches us perseverance and leads to holy “righteousness” and a mature faith directed in and on Christ alone

Yes, being raised in a family where my Grandfather and Father were evangelists, Biblical scholars teaching in Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida, presbyters for the entire Midwest, pastors...I have seen my share of demon possession, demon oppression, homes so possessed the dogs would become frightened and their bowels just loosen like they had no control, cabinets swinging open/shut, oven doors just flopping open, even audible voices telling us they wanted to kill us.

But what is coming is nothing compared to any of that!!

 

[miknik5]

Yes, being raised in a family where my Grandfather and Father were evangelists, Biblical scholars teaching in Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida, presbyters for the entire Midwest, pastors...I have seen my share of demon possession, demon oppression, homes so possessed the dogs would become frightened and their bowels just loosen like they had no control, cabinets swinging open/shut, oven doors just flopping open, even audible voices telling us they wanted to kill us.

But what is coming is nothing compared to any of that!!

I was actually referring to what christians are required to do when we are faced with battles

 

[servantofiam]

I was actually referring to what christians are required to do when we are faced with battles

Well, there is a big difference in asking for God's help to keep from sinning vs putting on the full armor of God and facing what is coming at us during the Tribulation. To me, and I could be wrong here, but I feel spiritual warfare is against the Adversary (enemy of God and his demonic entities). The people who take the mark will be controlled by Satan. To me, this means they will become demon possessed. Once they take the Mark there is no changing and Satan now will have full control of them. With people demon possessed, plus demons themselves, plus Satan, false prophet, antichrist, etc...this is definitely what I classify as true spiritual warfare.

When Paul defined it, he said these entities were in the air trying to keep our prayers from reaching God. He called them principalities. But when demons are free like we read when the "bottomless pit" is opened during the Tribulation, that is when real warfare takes place. And these entities will be free until Armageddon. So, that is at least 7 years of spiritual warfare unless we happen to be some of the ones getting our heads chopped off!!

 

[miknik5]

Well, there is a big difference in asking for God's help to keep from sinning vs putting on the full armor of God and facing what is coming at us during the Tribulation. To me, and I could be wrong here, but I feel spiritual warfare is against the Adversary (enemy of God and his demonic entities). The people who take the mark will be controlled by Satan. To me, this means they will become demon possessed. Once they take the Mark there is no changing and Satan now will have full control of them. With people demon possessed, plus demons themselves, plus Satan, false prophet, antichrist, etc...this is definitely what I classify as true spiritual warfare.

When Paul defined it, he said these entities were in the air trying to keep our prayers from reaching God. He called them principalities. But when demons are free like we read when the "bottomless pit" is opened during the Tribulation, that is when real warfare takes place. And these entities will be free until Armageddon. So, that is at least 7 years of spiritual warfare unless we happen to be some of the ones getting our heads chopped off!!

We will be (some of the ones getting our heads chopped off) because we continue to hold to the testimony of Jesus

 

[miknik5]

Well, there is a big difference in asking for God's help to keep from sinning vs putting on the full armor of God and facing what is coming at us during the Tribulation. To me, and I could be wrong here, but I feel spiritual warfare is against the Adversary (enemy of God and his demonic entities). The people who take the mark will be controlled by Satan. To me, this means they will become demon possessed. Once they take the Mark there is no changing and Satan now will have full control of them. With people demon possessed, plus demons themselves, plus Satan, false prophet, antichrist, etc...this is definitely what I classify as true spiritual warfare.

When Paul defined it, he said these entities were in the air trying to keep our prayers from reaching God. He called them principalities. But when demons are free like we read when the "bottomless pit" is opened during the Tribulation, that is when real warfare takes place. And these entities will be free until Armageddon. So, that is at least 7 years of spiritual warfare unless we happen to be some of the ones getting our heads chopped off!!

Where do you think spiritual warfare comes from but the adversary

 

[miknik5]

I want to remind you of something in revelation which Christ informs the church of:

Satan will cast some of you in prison.

Well, there is a big difference in asking for God's help to keep from sinning vs putting on the full armor of God and facing what is coming at us during the Tribulation. To me, and I could be wrong here, but I feel spiritual warfare is against the Adversary (enemy of God and his demonic entities). The people who take the mark will be controlled by Satan. To me, this means they will become demon possessed. Once they take the Mark there is no changing and Satan now will have full control of them. With people demon possessed, plus demons themselves, plus Satan, false prophet, antichrist, etc...this is definitely what I classify as true spiritual warfare.

When Paul defined it, he said these entities were in the air trying to keep our prayers from reaching God. He called them principalities. But when demons are free like we read when the "bottomless pit" is opened during the Tribulation, that is when real warfare takes place. And these entities will be free until Armageddon. So, that is at least 7 years of spiritual warfare unless we happen to be some of the ones getting our heads chopped off!!

I’m sorry. Paul never said that Satan the prince of the air was keeping our prayers from reaching God

If we aren’t preparing ourselves now, we will be in trouble when as you say “real warfare takes place”

There is only one work that we as Christians need to do

And that is to remain in HIM
And not go out from HIM

To be still and know that He is GOD. The battle is His.

Our work is to trust by faith that HE is working out all the good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.

And not to take matters into our own hands

Not by power or by might sayeth the Lord. But by His Spirit.

We are not to take up the sword
For those who live by the sword will die by the sword

 

[servantofiam]

Where do you think spiritual warfare comes from but the adversary

I agree, BUT (all cap letters because to me this important) if you're like me as been involved in the church from the moment you were able to walk/talk...the older churches used to have a midweek service. during this service, we would have members stand up for either a testimony, a need of prayer, or unspoken prayer requests. And many I heard this common excuse concerning the devil making me do things, or the devil is not paying my bills, or the devil is why this is happening and so forth. I learned very early that many things people are at fault with they blamed the devil for. Someone chose to buy candy instead of paying their electric and they blame the devil for not having lights. Someone got mad and punched another person and ended up in jail but it was the devil's fault.

NO, not everything that involves self destruction is the devil's fault. I have issue with people that never is at fault even when we all know they committed the crime or are actually at fault. I've seen more so-called believers not accept fault/responsibility and passed it off as the devil did it.

Even the Book of Jude points out that when the Arch Angel Michael came for the body of Moses, rather than accuse Satan of anything, he simply said "I rebuke thee in the name of God" and took the body.
We know from the Book of Daniel, that the Arch Angel Gabriel was detained by the king of Tyre (Satan) for 21 days who was coming to deliver Daniel's interpretation of his dream.

So clearly, it is very important we never accuse Satan falsely nor give him credit wrongfully!!

So, when it comes to spiritual warfare, we need to know it is actually warfare, not our own stupidity!!

 

[servantofiam]

I want to remind you of something in revelation which Christ informs the church of:

Satan will cast some of you in prison.

I’m sorry. Paul never said that Satan the prince of the air was keeping our prayers from reaching God

If we aren’t preparing ourselves now, we will be in trouble when as you say “real warfare takes place”

There is only one work that we as Christians need to do

And that is to remain in HIM
And not go out from HIM

To be still and know that He is GOD. The battle is His.

Our work is to trust by faith that HE is working out all the good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.

And not to take matters into our own hands

Not by power or by might sayeth the Lord. But by His Spirit.

We are not to take up the sword
For those who live by the sword will die by the sword

I never said Satan, I said principalities.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.




And yes, some of us will be cast into prison most likely to be tortured. I figure this pertains to 2 types of people here. The weak believer who Satan thinks he can cause them to deny God, and the strongest believers because they keep everyone aware of the WORD, they keep recruiting the lost, they allow God to manifest by getting themselves out of the way for the Glory of God, they are what I like to call a "LIVE WIRE." And these people I believe are captured simply to be tortured until they either die or Christ returns...

 

[servantofiam]

Ooops, it was the Prince of Persia who held Gabriel captive from Daniel in chapter 10. But Ezekiel speaks of the king of Tyre like Isaiah describes Satan who once was beautiful and had a throne in the same vicinity as God and walked through the flames.

 

[Righttruth]

It will be a time like none other

So...,

So, building of the temple has nothing to do with return of Christ.

 

[Righttruth]

In the same passage of scriptures I provided by Yeshua letting us know when He shall return, He also explains this Tribulation will be like no other before and will be greater than ever. In Revelation's we see this is basically all of hell unleashed upon the earth which has never before happened. Those who take the Mark of the Beast will marvel at the powers of the antichrist, false prophet, and the demonic entities. They will believe this is the actual Yahweh, just like the Jews will see it as their Messiah.

So whatever happened before clearly isn't even a drop of water into the bucket compared to what is coming. And like everything, it will be our GOD who decides the severity!!

This is not related to the building of the temple

 

[servantofiam]

This is not related to the building of the temple

If at the 3 1/2 year mark of Tribulation, we have the antichrist offering ungodly oblation, to which the Jews finally see this IS NOT the actual Messiah they were waiting for...

And by time frame alone, we know that in another 3 1/2 years the Tribulation ends which brings forth a darkened sun and bloody moon...

And it is at this time that YESHUA claimed He returns to gather the ELECT,,,


How is the rebuilding of the Temple NOT RELATED when we can use it to know when the rapture takes place?

Because you want to be right?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well, you are not right, so get over it. Because all things we know will happen that are very important during Tribulation like the antichrist being revealed for what it is, knowing this can only happen at the 3 1/2 year mark or midpoint of the Tribulation, which means in another 3 1/2 years makes 7 years and Tribulation ends, which a sign appears of the sun becoming darkened and the moon as blood, to which then Christ returns and gathers His ELECT...ALL SURROUND A REBUILT TEMPLE!!

You are either not good at putting pieces of the puzzle together, or you just hate the fact you believed and were taught rapture happens pre/mid, not post as YESHUA explains.

Well, it requires reading ALL of the scriptures to understand the complete picture.

Had you been able to do as such, and how we can relate the Books of Enoch-Jeremiah-Ezekiel-Isaiah-Daniel-Micah-Malachi-Zechariah-Matthew-Revelation to the end of times that INCLUDES A REBUILT TEMPLE TO BE ABLE FOR THE ANTICHRIST TO OFFER UNGODLY OBLATION AND BE REVEALED FOR WHAT IT IS AT THE 3 1/2 YEAR MIDPOINT OF TRIBULATION, it would be you pointing these FACTS OUT and not me!!

And now, you have been educated and you are quite WELCOMED!!

 

[servantofiam]

Just a quick simple fact here:

Since it was God who told us it would be AFTER the Tribulation before He comes to gather the ELECT...NONE of this takes place until there is a REBUILT TEMPLE first!!

So, it does apply to the entire picture of His return and Second coming!!

Because the Tribulation DOES NOT END until after the Jews know they have been tricked. And that cannot happen until the antichrist offers ungodly oblation. And that cannot happen until there is a REBUILT TEMPLE. Which Christ DOES NOT RETURN until after there is a REBUILT TEMPLE in order for Tribulation to end.

 

[servantofiam]

Just a quick simple fact here:

Since it was God who told us it would be AFTER the Tribulation before He comes to gather the ELECT...NONE of this takes place until there is a REBUILT TEMPLE first!!

So, it does apply to the entire picture of His return and Second coming!!

Because the Tribulation DOES NOT END until after the Jews know they have been tricked. And that cannot happen until the antichrist offers ungodly oblation. And that cannot happen until there is a REBUILT TEMPLE. Which Christ DOES NOT RETURN until after there is a REBUILT TEMPLE in order for Tribulation to end.

And if you cannot see this fact, you are either not capable of understanding scripture, or, you are gas lighting me. And if you are gas lighting me, then you are no Christian, you are a NARCISSIST!!

 

[Righttruth]

How is the rebuilding of the Temple NOT RELATED when we can use it to know when the rapture takes place?

'Rapture' is a speculation, a word not found in the Bible. Not many give importance to it.

Well, you are not right, so get over it. Because all things we know will happen that are very important during Tribulation like the antichrist being revealed for what it is, knowing this can only happen at the 3 1/2 year mark or midpoint of the Tribulation, which means in another 3 1/2 years makes 7 years and Tribulation ends, which a sign appears of the sun becoming darkened and the moon as blood, to which then Christ returns and gathers His ELECT...ALL SURROUND A REBUILT TEMPLE!!

Good insertion of capital letters for an imaginary building! Ha,ha,ha!

 

[miknik5]

So, building of the temple has nothing to do with return of Christ.

It has the same to do with Christ as judas’ betrayal had to do with Christ.

It will happen just as the scriptures foretell.

 

[miknik5]

'Rapture' is a speculation, a word not found in the Bible. Not many give importance to it.



Good insertion of capital letters for an imaginary building! Ha,ha,ha!

Rapture is mentioned in Thessalonians and is implied from Jesus words that He would never leave us and would be with us even to the time of the end and yet, as mentioned in Daniel, there is a “21 day” delay in which The Lord is detained and only Michael the archangel is able to help the Jewish people during this “3 week period”

This implies that the rapture will occur during and in the midst of the seven year tribulation period.

 

[Righttruth]

It has the same to do with Christ as judas’ betrayal had to do with Christ.

It will happen just as the scriptures foretell.

Scripture does not indicate building of another temple

 

[Righttruth]

Rapture is mentioned in Thessalonians and is implied from Jesus words that He would never leave us and would be with us even to the time of the end and yet, as mentioned in Daniel, there is a “21 day” delay in which The Lord is detained and only Michael the archangel is able to help the Jewish people during this “3 week period”

This implies that the rapture will occur during and in the midst of the seven year tribulation period.

More speculations!

 

[servantofiam]

Scripture does not indicate building of another temple

Daniel 12:1 and Revelations 12:7-8 have been interpreted to mean the same thing:

Daniel 12:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:

Revelations 12:
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.​

We know that Daniel chapter 11 refers to the antichrist:

Daniel 11:
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Daniel 12 clarifies Daniel 11:31:

Daniel 12:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.




***pay attention to Daniel 12:11***

This is when the antichrist stops the DAILY SACRIFICES...

So, we know this speaks about the END, which is a time STILL TO COME, ahead of where we are now.

But somewhere before then, DAILY SACRIFICE will be happening and at the midpoint of Tribulation it will STOP.

The Jews ONLY offer DAILY SACRIFICE in the TEMPLE, and nowhere else. So for there to be a "Daily Sacrifice" happening for the antichrist to stop it, means there must be a REBUILT TEMPLE in place for the Daily Sacrifice to happen.

The Hebrew/Jews in their entire history have only done Daily sacrifice in their Temple and no place else. Verse 11 of chapter 12 is specific there will be Daily Sacrifice happening and it will stop at the midpoint of the Tribulation. That only means one thing. There must be a REBUILT TEMPLE in place to do Daily Sacrifice.

It is scriptural and going to happen whether you believe it or not!!