I voted unsure.
I disagree with many of the site policies, but I am still unsure over where I stand in this.
I disagree with many of the site policies, but I am still unsure over where I stand in this.
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I don't know that Erwin lied but I do think he has lost sight of the vision he once had for cf. It was suppose to be a place for unting all christians now look at it. New subforums are going up everywhere and in many places chaos has taken over.I understand he wants to give the people more say so but at what cost? My question is, Is the new cf worth all this division and chaos??Very good posts ... and well... I guess Erwin lied.
Dead?
I really hope that was a typo! LOL.
Thank you for your kind words Steve - I probably should have left when you did and stayed off staff. It has been a rather futile effort to remain onboard so long it seems.
On the unity thing. When I was at uni I was part of a group that was part of the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students. It has its roots in a group called, I think, CICU, which broke of from a group called the Student Christian Movement. They did so at a time when the SCM was still quite close to conservative views. However when 2 members confronted the leadership they established that they didn't hold the cross as the centre of their beliefs (I think unity might have been there actually). They are now a shell of what they were and riddled with liberalism, while IFES continues as a strong evangelical non-denominational organisation. Quite amazing really.
Before the Christian Church goes into eclipse anywhere there must first be a corrupting of her simple basic theology. She simply gets a wrong answer to the question, 'What is God like?' and goes on from there. Though she may continue to cling to a sound nominal creed, her practical working creed has become false. The masses of her adherents come to believe that God is different from what He actually is; and that is heresy of the most insidious and deadly kind.
see here.
Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.
Yes, it should; conservative christians are the only people who are qualified to determine if something or someone is really a christian.
Since these new rules, which allow for more fellowship between believers and non-believers among other things, are definitely not conservative, CF and anyone who supports the new rules aren't christian.
Since these new rules, which allow for more fellowship between believers and non-believers among other things, are definitely not conservative, CF and anyone who supports the new rules aren't christian.
Yeah it's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.
Please don't accuse someone of lying when it is possible that he changed his mind.
I thought saying something would not change sounded unwise to me, since people do learn and change their minds. But saying "I will never change my mind," is so inconsistent with human experience to make reliance on such statements even more unwise.
The bible doesnt change. Its not inconsistant with human reality. We should be modelling a christian site on its absolute truths.
I'm sad to say it went down the drain sister.
I don't know that Erwin lied but I do think he has lost sight of the vision he once had for cf. It was suppose to be a place for unting all christians now look at it. New subforums are going up everywhere and in many places chaos has taken over.I understand he wants to give the people more say so but at what cost? My question is, Is the new cf worth all this division and chaos??
Yes as it no longer applies to this website
ChristianForums-Uniting all Christians as one Body
Well that is now a totally inaccurate statement to say about this site.
BTW-no more Wiki INSANITY
Actually I think the Uniting all Christians thing is the whole problem.
For a ministry not to go astray it must have the gospel, the cross of christ, at the centre of all it does. This site has unity. If unity is central then the gospel can and will be compromised, which is what we have seen here. If the gospel is central it cannot be compromised.
CF is just heading where it is destined - warped by liberalism. Unless the gospel is the centre, which I can't see happening now, it cannot be salvaged from liberalism which is devouring it.
I don't think the name will change. It is one reason why this site has been so successful - if you go looking for a forum for christians on google what will pop up - CF. That's it's big pull - there's now way it will change.
However, it is only christian in that it discusses christian things, not in that it is by nature christian.
Hence my resignation has been submitted.
Erin--I must say that for Erwin not to notice all of the excellent, wonderful staff members who have resigned would be a great shame. Practically everyone that I had any respect for has resigned over these issues. . .so many people who poured out their hearts and their time for CF are just being disregarded and unnoticed. Their labours in love and mercy, it would seem, were in vain. I am so very grieved.
Erwin's comment of If you don't like it, leave, shows how 'christian' this board is.
the only explaination that i can think of is that erwin never truly understood how people who were on staff viewed cf. most staffers DID see Cf as a ministry and most staffers loved being here for the members. Most staffers had their hearts invested in CF and then when erwin made these changes, their hearts were torn out.
which, hindsight being 20/20, we all should have seen coming. to erwin, these changes are slight and shouldnt be much of a bother to people. maybe he is just so out of touch with the ministry he started he cant see it anymore.
i have disagreed with erwin on many things in the past and by dialogue with him in the CR, i realized a long time ago he just never got why staffers were here.Which is sad but at the time i realized this (a year or so ago), he wasnt much involved anyway so I continued to use this platform as a ministry for me to do. but, i did know the day would come when all it would come to a boil and blow up like it did.
This point was already dismissed--if you take a close look at the posters in this thread in SUPPORT of Christian being taken out of the name, you'll see that there are people here from ALL denominations, conservative and not conservative, Protestant and Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, etc.
You shall know them by their fruit.
thats not very nice, invisibletrousers.
Yeah it's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.
However, it is only christian in that it discusses christian things, not in that it is by nature christian.
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