Shape-Shifting Dinosaurs

[AV1611VET]

Frankly, this is the first time I hear this argument.

Sure it is.

Aha, nonononono.....

God refers to a disease called the burning ague. The connection between that and a diminished skull is your own personal ad hocery, because you tried to justify your buying of the "Neanderthal man just had rickets" canard hook line and sinker.

I know you like your ad hoc, but let's not pretend this is what God actually meant in the Bible.

ETA: Opps! Sorry! Wrong Cab!

 

[RickG]

I also think it's funny that you guys claim God is being deceptive, while all the time yo Mamma [Nature] has been fooling you.

No one is saying that. What we are doing is pointing out that for all the things to be embedded by God as you suggest, that would make God a deceiver. So, who is it that paints God as a deceiver?

 

[Kylie]

Then your example can take a hike.

You were a "wise man" when you were a young girl, and you're considered a "wise man" as a mature woman.

The point I'm making is the same animal being mistaken for two different ones.

Given that we can't ever see the living animals, why do you demand that science is able to provide all the answers right now? Why do you think that if science ever gets even a small detail wrong, all of it can be dismissed.

Sounds like you have an agenda here, AV...

 

[AV1611VET]

* WORTH A BUMP *​

The curious case of the shapeshifting dinosaurs | Science Illustrated

 

[Kylie]

* WORTH A BUMP *​

And I'll respond with the same point I did last time:

So what?

I have changed shape in my life as well. After all, a mature woman does not have the same body shape as a young girl.

So what exactly is your point here?

 

[AV1611VET]

And I'll respond with the same point I did last time:

So what?

From the caption:

New research reveals that dinosaurs changed shape during their lives. This means that many dinosaurs, which have so far been considered to be different species, were actually just different growth stages of the same species. Rasmus Krag Jacobsen delves into the misclassification debate that might change the way we understand Triceratops.

If you don't want to watch the video, fine; but QV the caption under it.

I have changed shape in my life as well. After all, a mature woman does not have the same body shape as a young girl.

Have you been mistaken for someone else because of it?

 

[Kylie]

From the caption:If you don't want to watch the video, fine; but QV the caption under it.Have you been mistaken for someone else because of it?

I'm just curious about what point you are trying to make.

 

[johneb]

I do think the numbers of species of dinosaurs is far less than we think.
Case in point, is one dinosaur throughout it's lifespan has been classified as a dozen or more species of dinosaurs.
When we dig up bones we are not digging up the past, we are digging up the present and telling a story about the past to fit a narrative.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I do think the numbers of species of dinosaurs is far less than we think.

How many do we think there are?

Case in point, is one dinosaur throughout it's lifespan has been classified as a dozen or more species of dinosaurs.

Which dinosaur is that?

When we dig up bones we are not digging up the past, we are digging up the present and telling a story about the past to fit a narrative.

We make narratives for everything - it's how we understand the world. Some narratives have a firmer foundation in fact and evidence than others.

 

[AV1611VET]

How many do we think there are?

700 and counting.

Which dinosaur is that?

Velicoraptor.

We make narratives for everything - it's how we understand the world.

What are your narratives for the angels?

Some narratives have a firmer foundation in fact and evidence than others.

That is correct.

 

[HitchSlap]

I do think the numbers of species of dinosaurs is far less than we think.
Case in point, is one dinosaur throughout it's lifespan has been classified as a dozen or more species of dinosaurs.
When we dig up bones we are not digging up the past, we are digging up the present and telling a story about the past to fit a narrative.

Nobody thinks this.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Velicoraptor.

Citation?

What are your narratives for the angels?

They're a reformulation of ancient myths.

 

[Shemjaza]

Velicoraptor.

There a lot of different "raptor" dinosaurs. Velicoraptor, Utahraptor, Deinonychus are a couple... but I don't think anyone is proposing that they are all the same species at different stages of life.

The common ones I've seen that have actual controversy is Triceratops actually being a sub-adult Torosaurus and some juvenile Tyrannosauruses were mistaken for a different species.

 

[AV1611VET]

There a lot of different "raptor" dinosaurs. Velicoraptor, Utahraptor, Deinonychus are a couple... but I don't think anyone is proposing that they are all the same species at different stages of life.

The common ones I've seen that have actual controversy is Triceratops actually being a sub-adult Torosaurus and some juvenile Tyrannosauruses were mistaken for a different species.

From the link in the OP:

Almost identical skeletons
Together with his colleague, Curator of Palaeontology Jack Horner, Scanella has inspired debate among palaeontologists with a study of the giant, three-horned Triceratops. His paper, published in Journal of Vertebrate Palaeontology, demonstrates that this dinosaur and its close relative, Torosaurus, were actually one single species. The researchers also placed a third species, Nedoceratops, under the same umbrella. For Scanella and Horner, Triceratops, Torosaurus and Nedoceratops are the same species.

 

[Kylie]

Case in point, is one dinosaur throughout it's lifespan has been classified as a dozen or more species of dinosaurs.

Which dinosaur was this? Have you got a source?

 

[Kylie]

From the link in the OP:

Almost identical skeletons
Together with his colleague, Curator of Palaeontology Jack Horner, Scanella has inspired debate among palaeontologists with a study of the giant, three-horned Triceratops. His paper, published in Journal of Vertebrate Palaeontology, demonstrates that this dinosaur and its close relative, Torosaurus, were actually one single species. The researchers also placed a third species, Nedoceratops, under the same umbrella. For Scanella and Horner, Triceratops, Torosaurus and Nedoceratops are the same species.

Except that is now not considered to be true. We've found very old triceratops and very young torosaurus. Torosaurus and Triceratops were different species. Horn dinos 'two species, not one'

 

[Shemjaza]

From the link in the OP:

...so nothing to do with Velicoraptors then?

With Triceratops and Torosaurus there was never any debate as to them being closely related (the same kind of dinosaur if you will ), as opposed to the significantly more varied raptor family (Dromaeosauridae).

 

[johneb]

Which dinosaur was this? Have you got a source?

Absolutely not, my statement was a exaggeration. Getting back to the original post,

Do you think Jack Horner is wrong?

 

[Kylie]

Absolutely not, my statement was a exaggeration. Getting back to the original post,

Do you think Jack Horner is wrong?

I've already given a source which shows that we have found old triceratops and young torosaurus. So if someone says that triceratops are just young torosaurus, then I'd say yes, they are wrong. The idea had some merit for a while, but discoveries made since then have shown that the idea was wrong. Is Jack Horner still saying that today?

 

[johneb]

Is Jack Horner still saying that today?

I don't know but you could reach out and ask him, seems like a nice guy with a interesting since of humor.