Shall we all get into the habit?

[Gxg (G²)]

If you can't appreciate the tremendous influence, huge ideas, great plots, and classic value Star Trek the original series brought to sci-fi, then I don't know what to say. Star Trek didn't "bother many."

In regards to saying many were bothered by it, one can always talk to the many who neither cared for the original series nor really liked it

I have no clue where you get off saying that one.

One simply needs to look at the many who've noted their annoyance with it..as it's not hidden nor is it something one has to look hard for.

It's considered the greatest sci fi television show ever.

It's like saying the Beatles bothered many with their hippie music (shrug).

No one denies that it's considered one of the greatest shows ever. That being the case, however, doesn't mean everyone felt it was the greatest or even liked it when it first came out..

..I guess Star Trek bothered so many people that they re-ran it a zillion times across the US and every country around the world and they've had conventions with hundreds of thousands of fans and letter-writing campaigns, a series so beloved that they brought it back to the big screen in the 80's and 90's, yep, truly loathed

Again, unless it's the case that StarTrek gaining conventions/fans means that EVEYRONE loved it---in the same way that others claim EVERYONE loves StarWars or Golden Girls--one can only go so far..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

although I like Kirk because he is the classic captain of the Enterprise, Picard was Professor X. game, set, match.

....and I am more of a Star Wars fan

Amen

The best Professor X I've ever seen....and really, he was simply an excellent actor. William Shattner couldn't hold a candle to the man...even though they did do well together in the Startrek Generations Film from the 90s.

Kirk and Picard VS Soran
Star Trek Generations, The Death of James T. Kirk

TWO GENERATIONS PICARD MEETS KIRK (STAR TREK) ​

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I can picture Shatner saying this....

"Why.....can't.....we......all.....drink.....filtered water, friends?"

Or Picard....

"Angels and ministers of grace defend us. T'was it not the chimes ringing telling us not to drink of thy bottled water. Forsooth the pollutants sing to my soul and yearn for my digestive juices! I say this as much as a man as a poet, as much as a drinker of water as a explorer of worlds. Water, as I lay parched in the desert, I drink of thee but I pray thee forget the pollutants and toxins!"

Or how 'bout Worf?

"Bottled water and Obama's fetus soft drinks have no honor!"

Or McCoy....

"I'm a doctor, not a soda jerk or bottled water peddler!"

See, Star Trek is directly related to this important topic!


We can even bring Dune into it!

"Usul no longer needs the bottled water!"

"I drank the water of life, Muad'dib...straight from a tainted water bottle!"

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I'm trying to find where I ever said "everyone" likes it? That would be an idiotic statement seeing as how it is statistically impossible for EVERYONE to like anything? Heck, I've met Canadians who don't like Rush, as sick as that is....anything's possible.

Star Trek is iconic, pure and simple. I find your post goofy, that's all. You seem to minimize it and make Star Trek seem an annoyance to so many people when it's hardly any such thing. And a few people on a message board not caring much for it is hardly a good barometer, right? sigh......

I'm still trying to see how you draw the convention conclusion. Never said that proves the whole world worships the show. It merely points out a tremendous amount of affection and appreciation for the show. As for Golden Girls conventions, never heard of one. That being said, The Golden Girls was one HILARIOUS show. I loved it and still do! So bring it!

It's like saying Star Wars was hated by many. Nonsense. It is probably hated by some, but it's loved by far more than those who hate it. It's iconic. That'd be ridiculous. Perhaps your own prejudice against TOS is the operant issue here.

And the success of the new Star Trek original series reboot movie is an indicator of how hugely loved that series was. If the original cast and show were as lame and discounted as you make it out to be, the reboot would've been shrugged off as tripe....

What's next, Easy G? Indiana Jones was junk? E.T. was univerally loathed? Gone With the Wind and Amadeus, hated!

In regards to saying many were bothered by it, one can always talk to the many who neither cared for the original series nor really liked it
One simply needs to look at the many who've noted their annoyance with it..as it's not hidden nor is it something one has to look hard for.
No one denies that it's considered one of the greatest shows ever. That being the case, however, doesn't mean everyone felt it was the greatest or even liked it when it first came out..
Again, unless it's the case that StarTrek gaining conventions/fans means that EVEYRONE loved it---in the same way that others claim EVERYONE loves StarWars or Golden Girls--one can only go so far..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

We have a refrigerator filter but I heard that the tap water has fluoride and that is bad.... It literally does not help teeth...it seems that it is just a thing that was just added...urgh...You need reverse osmosis to get rid of fluoride That is why I buy the big bottled water for just using a variety of waters...They say that is good for the kidneys for the same minerals build up stones in the kidneys.

If I may say,

I think that trying to be careful of the water one uses is noble... but on the same token, there are ALOT of deadly things happening with bottled water that are not truly aware of--and if they knew, bottled water would take on an ENTIRELY differing reality.

For more on what I'm speaking of, there was an excellent documentary on the subject that changed my perspective forever on what seems to be happening with the ways the world is literally heading to a form of self-destruct due to the ways that the water supply is literally be privatized without people even knowing it:

Blue Gold - World Water Wars. (Full Film)​

A World Without Water
Flow - Water Privatization.flv​

Blue Gold : World Water Wars (deleted scenes, part 1)
Blue Gold : World Water Wars (deleted scenes, part 2)

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In light of some documentaries I was blessed to see on how much our water supply has been something that has been destroyed at a rapid rate---with many saying that the way mankind handles it will determine whether we continue living well....or have to live at sub-human/abnormal levels....and at the worst, end up causing our own extinction and fading away just as the dinosaurs did.

"Blue Gold: World Water Wars" is a documentary discussing how wars of the future will be fought over water as they are over oil today, as the source of human survival enters the global marketplace and political arena.The documentary centered on how corporate giants, private investors, and corrupt governments vie for control of our dwindling supply, prompting protests, lawsuits, and revolutions from citizens fighting for the right to survive because of the fact that past civilizations have collapsed from poor water management. Whereas the subject of global Warming is an issue of 'how' we live, the water crisis is an issue of 'if' we live...and one that many are not really considering seriously.


The other documentary, entitled "Flow: For Love of Water" is by Irena Salina...and it is her award-winning documentary investigation into what experts label the most important political and environmental issue of the 21st Century - The World Water Crisis. Salina builds a case against the growing privatization of the world's dwindling fresh water supply with an unflinching focus on politics, pollution, human rights, and the emergence of a domineering world water cartel.





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Some of the things many in the Christian community discuss as being "Biblical Concerns" often seem trivial when it comes to the ways we love our neighbors, seeing that Americans spend $15 billion annually on bottled water while 1.1 Billion people globally don’t have access to clean drinking water...and many times, we in the West pollute the water supplies of others without thinking a second thought. That churches also participate in this without really thinking about it is shocking....​

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Knowing how damaging bottled water bottles are to the environment and how they transfer water from one source to another, how the quality isn't really any better than tap water often times, only a Romulan would drink it! Or maybe a Kardassian! Even a Kardashian!

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I'm trying to find where I ever said "everyone" likes it?

That would be an idiotic statement seeing as how it is statistically impossible for EVERYONE to like anything? Heck, I've met Canadians who don't like Rush, as sick as that is....anything's possible.

Never said that you said everyone liked it...for the entire context from earlier was how not everyone really cared for the ORIGINAL Startrek series, no matter how iconic it is or how much others here (namely yourself) liked it. If you agreed with that from the jump, there's no argument since I never said anything other than that....


As it concerns Rush, hate the man in what he represents...

Star Trek is iconic, pure and simple

I agree. Never said otherwise, especially seeing how I said earlier that I love Startrek ...

. I find your post goofy

Cool if you feel such, although I find the response by yourself to be the same since it's arguing over something that was never in debate

You seem to minimize it and make Star Trek seem an annoyance to so many people when it's hardly any such thing

Again, something being iconic doesn't mean that there's just as many people in equal numbers who hate it---and that is the central issue. There are just as many folks who either hated it or never cared for StarTrek just as there are many that're DieHard fans of it. Nothing more, nothing less...and the amount of hate sites dedicated to the StarTrek universe are enough of a demonstration on that..

. And a few people on a message board not caring much for it is hardly a good barometer, right? sigh......

"Few people" has yet to be shown as a "few"...nor is it shown that having a convention automatically means that many people there means there's not just as many who hate it. Those who don't care for it simply don't show up.

I'm still trying to see how you draw the convention conclusion.

I'm still trying to see how you draw evidence that not alot of people hate Startrek or dont' care for it simply because many come tro conventions.

Never said that proves the whole world worships the show.

Ok.

It merely points out a tremendous amount of affection and appreciation for the show.

Never was that in denial, Bruh.

As for Golden Girls conventions, never heard of one

Then you've not paid enough attention to the numerous women/fans who've followed Golden Girls and gone to the conventions for them..

. That being said, The Golden Girls was one HILARIOUS show. I loved it and still do! So bring it!

They were a trip. Dorthy and Rose were a trip...

It's like saying Star Wars was hated by many. Nonsense

Not really, as again it comes up often and it's not just a couple of places. One would have to ignore what's said in culture to see otherwise...or ignore where it's mocked continually in spoofs and parodies..

. It is probably hated by some, but

Many, not some..

it's loved by far more than those who hate it.

And that's not measurable simply because there's a huge fan following anymore than it is with many following the Presidents of previous eras being a representation for how certain presidents are loved more than others..

your own prejudice against TOS is the operant issue here.

Perhaps it may be that your love for the show is leading you to overlook a MYRIAD of concepts in trying to defend it at all costs that you're looking past what's said and overreaching to state a case..

And the success of the new Star Trek original series reboot movie is an indicator of how hugely loved that series was.

In demand of the fans....just as it is with other things like Batman, SUperman and a host of other things

Doesn't mean there're not just as many people against it as they are for it...

If the original cast and show were as lame and discounted as you make it out to be, the reboot would've been shrugged off as tripe....

No more true than it must be that there were OVERWHELMING amounts of fans for shows like the Smurfs, Transformers and many other films where reboots were made..

What's next, Easy G? Indiana Jones was junk? E.T. was univerally loathed?

Actually, plenty hated those too

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Kick the Bottled Water Habit

In the movie, we learned that bottled water is not safer, or better tasting, or even more convenient, than tap water; it’s certainly not cheaper, and it generates massive amounts of needless waste. The piping, the bottling, the transportation, the greenhouse gases…it’s all unnecessary. So, on a daily basis, we don’t need bottled water, period.
As individuals, we can each stop buying it and start using reusable bottles. If you plan to purchase a bottle, we recommend stainless steel or lined aluminum. Both Food & Water Watch and Corporate Accountability International offer reusable bottles to their members. We also recommend reusing most any convenient bottle you have at hand.
If you have concerns about the quality of your tap water, or the chemicals it may contain due to treatment or to contaminants, contact your local water utility to ask for a report.
To address your concerns, there are many brands of safe, convenient home water filters you can install in your kitchen.


The Story of Bottled Water (2010) - YouTube

Excelllent film and many thanks for sharing it

 

[Montalban]

The story of bottled water

so much different from the book!

 

[Thekla]

Having just watched a performance (one man) of "The Apology of Socrates", the actor presented Socrates as drinking form a glass. With water pored from ... a glass serving jar.

So there, plastic !

(Off to prime a floor ...)

 

[Montalban]

Having just watched a performance (one man) of "The Apology of Socrates", the actor presented Socrates as drinking form a glass. With water pored from ... a glass serving jar.

So there, plastic !

(Off to prime a floor ...)

Have you heard Monty Python's "Philosopher's Song" about Socretes (et al) drinking?

 

[Thekla]

Have you heard Monty Python's "Philosopher's Song" about Socretes (et al) drinking?

Now I have !

(Avid Bonzo Dog DDBand fan in my youth, but MP wasn't shown on our local PBS station ...)

What happens if it rambles through my head while I finish priming ? (I was told in the Hardware store that primer is glue; this glue thing that causes wooziness, and may glue the song to my brain )

 

[Montalban]

Now I have !

(Avid Bonzo Dog DDBand fan in my youth, but MP wasn't shown on our local PBS station ...)

What happens if it rambles through my head while I finish priming ? (I was told in the Hardware store that primer is glue; this glue thing that causes wooziness, and may glue the song to my brain )

The Bonzo's association with Python in a way predates Python. They appeared on Do Not Adjust Your Set with Michael Palin, Terry Jones and, Eric Idle who would all be in Python

Neil Innes of Bonzos is only one of two non-Python members to get a writing co-credit. He also appeared in several Python films

Such as the bard accompanying Sir Robin the Chicken (played by Eric Idle)

And worked with Eric Idle on the Rutles - a terrific parody of the Beatles.

 

[Fotina]

Hey, I thought this thread was about bottled water.

Actually, Philothei's original post#1 is about supporting local farmers by changing buying habits to local sources. This led to gardening, to kicking bottled water habit, and other wasteful habits. ST got inserted somewhere. lol! Maybe, how we might have to discover new frontiers if we don't take care of the one we have??

 

[Dorothea]

How about if we tie it all together... will their be bottled water in the future in space?

 

[Dorothea]

Actually, Philothei's original post#1 is about supporting local farmers by changing buying habits to local sources. This led to gardening, to kicking bottled water habit, and other wasteful habits. ST got inserted somewhere. lol! Maybe, how we might have to discover new frontiers if we don't take care of the one we have??

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

It's rare for me to quote my dad's famous saying but I really find it applicable..."what's your point?"

You're all over the place and seem to just arbitrarily want to argue so I won't point by point go over all these. Just seems antagonistic and anti. That's fine. Words escape me to respond to the supposed "myriad of concepts" that I have overlooked supposedly?

BTW, Rush is a progressive rock band, a trio, not a man.

Never said that you said everyone liked it...for the entire context from earlier was how not everyone really cared for the ORIGINAL Startrek series, no matter how iconic it is or how much others here (namely yourself) liked it. If you agreed with that from the jump, there's no argument since I never said anything other than that....


As it concerns Rush, hate the man in what he represents...

I agree. Never said otherwise, especially seeing how I said earlier that I love Startrek ...
Cool if you feel such, although I find the response by yourself to be the same since it's arguing over something that was never in debate



Again, something being iconic doesn't mean that there's just as many people in equal numbers who hate it---and that is the central issue. There are just as many folks who either hated it or never cared for StarTrek just as there are many that're DieHard fans of it. Nothing more, nothing less...and the amount of hate sites dedicated to the StarTrek universe are enough of a demonstration on that..

"Few people" has yet to be shown as a "few"...nor is it shown that having a convention automatically means that many people there means there's not just as many who hate it. Those who don't care for it simply don't show up.
I'm still trying to see how you draw evidence that not alot of people hate Startrek or dont' care for it simply because many come tro conventions.

Ok.

Never was that in denial, Bruh.

Then you've not paid enough attention to the numerous women/fans who've followed Golden Girls and gone to the conventions for them..



They were a trip. Dorthy and Rose were a trip...


Not really, as again it comes up often and it's not just a couple of places. One would have to ignore what's said in culture to see otherwise...or ignore where it's mocked continually in spoofs and parodies..

Many, not some..

And that's not measurable simply because there's a huge fan following anymore than it is with many following the Presidents of previous eras being a representation for how certain presidents are loved more than others..


Perhaps it may be that your love for the show is leading you to overlook a MYRIAD of concepts in trying to defend it at all costs that you're looking past what's said and overreaching to state a case..

In demand of the fans....just as it is with other things like Batman, SUperman and a host of other things

Doesn't mean there're not just as many people against it as they are for it...

No more true than it must be that there were OVERWHELMING amounts of fans for shows like the Smurfs, Transformers and many other films where reboots were made..

Actually, plenty hated those too

 

[Gxg (G²)]

It's rare for me to quote my dad's famous saying but I really find it applicable..."what's your point?"
.

Honestly, I'm wondering at the moment what yours has been...as it's rather needless having a debate on something like Startrek over something that was a Non-Issue. And switching points is needless as well. If someone loves Startrek/says it's beloved and another says many hate it, there's nothing to debate. If saying that it's impossible for MANY to hate it in the same way that MANY love it, that's a pointless discussion since bias will always influence one to see MORE than what's really there, Bruh.

You're all over the place

And yet you're arguing without any facts whatsoever that there are not just as many people who hate Startrek as there are who love it simply because there're conventions and films on it. Seriously, the issue is NOT that deep..nor does it really do any benefit in noting in others what you did throughout discussion but cannot see.

and seem to just arbitrarily want to argue so

I never said anything other than many people dislike the show...and you came back saying there's no evidence/continued to debate the point. If you wish to discuss "arbitrarily", one may wish to begin with the fact that you continued the discussion when you could have left it alone...but didn't. Simple as that. One doesn't begin to have a debate and then say in the aftermath of it "Why'd you start that?!!!" ..

I won't point by point go over all these.

Good..

Just seems antagonistic and anti.

Was wondering the same on your actions, dude..as it concerns debating over that which was never said. And on StarTrek of all issues...

That's fine. Words escape me to respond to the supposed "myriad of concepts" that I have overlooked supposedly?

BTW, Rush is a progressive rock band, a trio, not a man

Then specify next time since the same has been said of a man not just a band....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Places rate the water and I have found municipalities often to be brutally honest about their water safety (I can't swear that such is the norm, though). Because, in a lot of places, the water is just fine for people with normal immunity. I have no problem drinking the water where I live and for me (because I am a disorganized person) remember that special 10 dollar filter bottle will be a hassle and won't happen on a regular basis. If the water here weren't safe for me, I would probably end up being a water bottle person or, worse yet, drink a lot of soft drinks and juice (because it's bottled). An added benefit (I say, added because this is not actually why I do it) is that I'm not wasting any plastic at all (including the filter).

But, if the water is weak or you live with people with weaker immunities (sick, babies, elderly) then the filter seems important.

Sadly, many have often noted the ways in which people seem to quarantine themselves in regards to water. FOr it wasn't that long ago (during the 1800s-1900s) that water itself wasn't as "purified" as it is today. If living in the good old West, you had to deal with whatever water was available in the fresh water reserves and streams...and had a higher ability to adapt.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I am totally not judging parents who give their kids juice or chocolate milk. In the end, the truth is that some of our most successful peopel have had a diet of chocolate milk, non-organic grapes from chile, lucky charms and hate salads. What mattered more, in my opinion was having parents that loved their kids, taught them to be active and value integrity above all.

Josh

Some days you wish you could go back to days when chocolate milk was not even a reality...