sex and being single

[GQ Chris]

Fornication is clearly a sin in scripture, but there's many on CF that do not hold any value in it.

 

[broken_one]

I have to say the argument that women are better in control of their sexuality than men is both outdated and a lame copout. Sounds exactly like the argument used by schools in the 50s for kicking out pregnant teens but allowing the fathers to stay in school - boys will be boys, right?

People are individuals. Women can have high sex drives, and men can have low sex drives. Both can be equally tempted by sex. But both are fully capable of controlling themselves no matter how bad the temptation gets. There is no free pass just because one may have certain body parts.

@this, and @bible verse: When did I ever talk about it not being sinful?

 

[GQ Chris]

How does that make any sense?

Unless he talked about the prostitutes, there is no way they would know. I don't sense that he is a misogynist or a sexual deviant, so I believe he is using prostitutes as a backup. It doesn't seem that wrong to me. And he's most likely a troll.

@this, and @bible verse: When did I ever talk about it not being sinful?

You didn't see anything wrong with the guy seeing hookers as a back up.

 

[broken_one]

You didn't see anything wrong with the guy seeing hookers as a back up.

He's a grown man....he can do whatever he wants.

 

[GQ Chris]

He's a grown man....he can do whatever he wants.

Sure, anyone can, even irregardless of whether or not they are grown, if they march to the beat of their own drummer, themselves.

 

[broken_one]

Spoiler

Comma splice(s).

Also, still probably a troll.

 

[GQ Chris]

Hey broken, do you view sex outside of marriage as just some Puritan idea or concept that has no relevance today?

 

[GQ Chris]

Anyway listen to these when you get the chance and let me know what you think.

 

[Blank123]

@this, and @bible verse: When did I ever talk about it not being sinful?

hm. that post was not directed at you. Unless you also were arguing that its okay for men to give into their sexual temptation because they don't have as much self-control as women. I haven't seen you argue that, but it's possible I missed it.

 

[broken_one]

I view the idea of sex outside marriage in our EXTREME late-marriage society to become slowly more and more difficult to the point where it will become impossible (remember that the ones who want to have sex are SUPPOSED to get married). But people got married in those days at about age 15.....what about those at age 25? 35? 45?

Eventually self-control becomes superhuman. Everyone has their breaking point.

This is not an indictment of rules but rather something for Christianity to chew on. (Maybe encourage early marriage or something?)


ETA:

hm. that post was not directed at you. Unless you also were arguing that its okay for men to give into their sexual temptation because they don't have as much self-control as women. I haven't seen you argue that, but it's possible I missed it.

Yeah, threw you in with the bathwater....sorry.

 

[GQ Chris]

Living the life we are called to live as Christians is an impossibility in one's own power.

 

[Blank123]

I view the idea of sex outside marriage in our EXTREME late-marriage society to become slowly more and more difficult to the point where it will become impossible (remember that the ones who want to have sex are SUPPOSED to get married). But people got married in those days at about age 15.....what about those at age 25? 35? 45?

Eventually self-control becomes superhuman. Everyone has their breaking point.

This is not an indictment of rules but rather something for Christianity to chew on. (Maybe encourage early marriage or something?)


ETA:
Yeah, threw you in with the bathwater....sorry.

remember we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, including walking away from sexual temptations. But we have to deny self in order to live for Him and allow Him to work in our lives. We can't indulge in sin, or look for loopholes to excuse that sin, and then expect Him to give us the strength to withstand that temptation to sin. We need to be committed to purity and holiness and allowing Him to transform us into the image of Christ.

 

[broken_one]

Living the life we are called to live as Christians is an impossibility in one's own power.

But all have sinned....do you believe that we can become perfect beings on earth?

 

[GQ Chris]

But all have sinned....do you believe that we can become perfect beings on earth?

No, it's impossible. And that is why I am glad my justification and Salvation is not dependent upon my works. But don't misunderstand that to mean that I think fornication is no big deal, a person will sow what they reap and God is not mocked.

Sin is sin, and there was a time in my life where I didn't take my faith seriously or sanctification, but thankfully to which I give God All the credit, those days are long past now.

 

[white dove]

I view the idea of sex outside marriage in our EXTREME late-marriage society to become slowly more and more difficult to the point where it will become impossible (remember that the ones who want to have sex are SUPPOSED to get married). But people got married in those days at about age 15.....what about those at age 25? 35? 45?

Eventually self-control becomes superhuman. Everyone has their breaking point.

This is not an indictment of rules but rather something for Christianity to chew on. (Maybe encourage early marriage or something?)

You do bring up some interesting things to gnaw on. Although I do, personally, know people who successfully waited until their 30's to get married and have sex I do agree with you that it is becoming increasingly difficult to withstand the temptation to have sex prior to marriage. There is so much temptation in the form of technology, society and fashion sense that makes it really difficult for one (male or female) to resist the highly-sexualized culture we come from. I think that's why it's important to use the Bible's wisdom as it was intended though - to be in the world but not of it. We have to know our own breaking points and if sexual purity, whatever that means for the individual, is important to them.. they need to see the temptations for what they are and turn from them. We are given strength through the Spirit and through Jesus, but God knows how we are. And that's why He gives us advice to simply flee from temptation if it gets to that point.

 

[exitstageright]

I have to say the argument that women are better in control of their sexuality than men is both outdated and a lame copout. Sounds exactly like the argument used by schools in the 50s for kicking out pregnant teens but allowing the fathers to stay in school - boys will be boys, right?

People are individuals. Women can have high sex drives, and men can have low sex drives. Both can be equally tempted by sex. But both are fully capable of controlling themselves no matter how bad the temptation gets. There is no free pass just because one may have certain body parts.

Yes,SOME men Can control themselves. However men do have more testosterone .I am a licnensed Clinical (Medical)Laboratory Scientist. I make my living doing these lab tests. Males usally have more testosterone. That is what makes them males. < staff edit > < staff edit > Yes, some women have higher levels of testosterone. Some men have lower levels.
I am a biology major with a B.S. degree in Clinical Science.Therefore, I KNOW what I am talking about. For example,would you argue with an enginer about
some matter regarding the Golden Gate Bridge? I do not think so. If you were a scientist like me,you would not have said that I was making a lame copout. I did not say anything about a free pass.When I was in Israel,twice I crossed the Sea of Galilee in a boat. I did not walk across.Therefore ,I am not perfect. Fornication is NOT the ONLY sin. It is not the worst sin. The worst sin is the sin of unbelief.That is the sin,if one does not ask of forgiveness ,while believing in Jesus,that condems one to hell. Jesus himself said,"He who is WITHOUT sin,let HIM cast the first stone."

 

[exitstageright]

How does that make any sense?

Unless he talked about the prostitutes, there is no way they would know. I don't sense that he is a misogynist or a sexual deviant, so I believe he is using prostitutes as a backup. It doesn't seem that wrong to me. And he's most likely a troll.

You are so right. I NEVER tell women that I meet that I have used prostitutes. No,I am not a troll. I am just a man who does not smoke,does not drink,does not do iileagal drugs,and has never been in jail. My only weekness is sex. It is ironic. When I was married,my sex drive went way down. I was a married virgin during my last two years of my last marriage.I enjoy sex better when I am not married. I know. That is not the ideal,however,we do not live in an ideal world. I would love to be married to a good christain woman.I would love to have good sex with my wife and ONLY with my wife. My ex goes to the same church that I do.That is where we met. I do not want to change churches because I love serving in the Drama Ministry there.My new work schedule does not permit me to particpate in the Drama Ministry.Since I have to work for a living, I will not be able to be in our productions this year. Hopefully next year, I can get on the day shift. This would allow me to act in my church productions again. I really do miss acting.When I am acting,my sub concious is occupied with my lines and with my blocking(being where you supposed to be on stage),and not with food and/or sex.

 

[Rhamiel]

I view the idea of sex outside marriage in our EXTREME late-marriage society to become slowly more and more difficult to the point where it will become impossible (remember that the ones who want to have sex are SUPPOSED to get married). But people got married in those days at about age 15.....what about those at age 25? 35? 45?

Eventually self-control becomes superhuman. Everyone has their breaking point.

This is not an indictment of rules but rather something for Christianity to chew on. (Maybe encourage early marriage or something?)


ETA:
Yeah, threw you in with the bathwater....sorry.

historicly it was not uncommon for men to get married in there mid 30's
In Shakespears Hamlet, Hamlet is suposed to be anywhere from like 20 to 30

 

[broken_one]

historicly it was not uncommon for men to get married in there mid 30's
In Shakespears Hamlet, Hamlet is suposed to be anywhere from like 20 to 30

You seem to neglect that these girls (the ones marrying the older, wealthy men) often were not the man's first marriage and they were usually 14 or 15 years old.

In the context of my post I was referencing the time of the Early Roman Empire (when the Pauline epistles were written), and during that time both men and women married much younger. Even Julius Caesar himself was married at 17. It was what it was.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

When it comes to certain sins, it's easy to beat with a little intelligence. But when both heads want it, there's no hope for purity.