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Welcome to the downside of Christianity.

I really dislike how sex is demonized through and through, and then when you get married ALL OF A SUDDEN it's an okay thing to do. Can't we show more balance?

Yeah God, can you at least let us keep prostitutes!

Anyway, outlets.. what to do about them is hard to say. And you have people who care about their faith giving you a certain answer and those who don't care giving you an answer. Maybe we just live too long.
 
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Yeah God, can you at least let us keep prostitutes!
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Suppress prostitution, and capricious lusts will overthrow society.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]-- Augustine, from Dr. William W Sanger, The History of Prostitution (page 91), quoted from Joseph Lewis, The Ten Commandments (page 415)


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There are plenty of women who enjoy the act of coitus who will participate in it for free, a fair few of them only want a one night stand, a bit of "fun" so to speak. I don't care whether that was a serious statement or not there are women who WOULD have sex AND marry an "unattractive" man if they would stop being so hung up on their "unattractive" selves. They may even be more likely to go for them if they didn't feel they NEEDED a prostitute.

I'm not bashing prostitution. In fact i'm all for legalised prostitution where the work can be regulated better than it is at present (in certain countries). I'm just aware that a lot of people who "can't get it anywhere else" could. Sometimes they may not be able to get the women they want to jump into bed with them, but they could get a woman somewhere to fulfil their needs.

Want to use prostitutes? Bully for you. I hope you remember that you get what you pay for and it's always worth seeking out an individual who has no qualms about discussing their sexual health checks, showing you their papers, insist on you having done the same and other such fun things. I would hope the majority of those who do use the services of a sex worker do not pick up random girls from the street or insist on going bareback.

It is not merciful of God to "provide" such an outlet, if it is for the needy then it is there for those who are unable to control their sexual desire, not even not being able to control it in a relationship, but just not being able to control it. It can cater to unusual fancies, good old missionary, anything and everything, but it's still for those who are not able to control themselves, to restrict themselves.

I can't really get past the rest of the thread. Nor can I expand upon the topic.

Life is hard, we don't always get what we want. Everyone else has given a heap of good advice so I shan't repeat any of it.
 
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I cant live the rest of my life without the loving touch of a man. How do I get rid of the desire of being married and having a sex with a man? And please dont say just pray. I have been and the answer is always no. I dont want to disappoint God but I cant keep living like this. Its killing me inside.

Yeah that's the problem. The advice given is to practice prayer and fasting in order to control your lustful desires. Well, that takes care of all the lustful desires, what about the desires for companionship?
Even if you did put all your passions in check, you might still desire marriage for companionship and then out of that desire...sex. And now you're back to square 1 all over again.

It's almost like the real question is not,
"how do I keep my lustful desires in check?"
It's,
"how do I eliminate my desire to bond with a partner?" Because for many people, out of that desire, come the desire for sex, and now you're back to controlling your lustful passions again.

Well, I don't know if it's good advice or bad advice. But I've pretty much given up all hope of finding a spouse, so I plan my life accordingly.
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Prostitutes are a nescessary element of our society.Some of us men are not physically attractive. Who is going to have sex with or want to marry a physically unattractive man? MAYBE,just maybe,prositutes are God's way of being merciful to unattractive guys. Not all of us men can be tall and handsome. It is true that some married men pay prostitutes.All in all,prostitutes are for the NEEDY and not for the GREEDY.
What I mean is that God did not make ALL of us men to be highly desired by women. God gave some of us brains INSTEAD of good looks. Then we can get a good education (nerds?),get a good paying job,and BUY the things that we want and need.


I'm not sure any guy goes to a prostitute because he's ugly. If anything, I'm sure a lot of those guys are just full of themselves. Usually though, the clients of a prostitute tend to be regulars, many of them married, who seek, not so much someone to have sex with, but someone to have non-judgmental sex with.
You see it more with the higher class escort girls. Married men, terrified their wives wouldn't love them if they knew of their own non-vanilla fantasies, will higher escort girls. With them, the relationship is strictly business, and given their experience, you can assume that whatever your fancy, they've already heard it, been there, done that.

And I'll close with this quote from a sex worker,
When I first started working as an escort, I quickly discovered that most men just wanted vanilla sex. Some in-person clients did want to incorporate violence, but only when they were the recipients. Even the most casual research will bear out the fact while dominatrices can make a good living kicking the * out of men, female submissives are so rarely in demand that most have to work as a switch in order to stay afloat.
Those who deeply distrust the sex industry, have been personally harmed by it, find it threatening or who associate it only with exploitation, often get very angry when escorts (or academics who study sex workers] claim some clients don’t want sexual interaction.
But it’s true: some don’t. I’ve been hired by men who never asked me to get *, never requested that I touch their *. There’s always conversation, regardless of the other activities during a date.
Clients talk to me about their parents (especially their fathers) and about failing marriages or life after divorce. They often show me pictures of their children and, sometimes, spouses.
The longer I’ve worked, the more it seems that the sex is often a front. It’s an entry point that allows men to make their real request (for affection, understanding, and connection) while still satisfying stereotypical ideas of masculinity.
What most men want is a great romance or, at the very least, a great friendship. They want to feel like they’re falling in love. They want to feel loved in return.
The clients who do want to have sex—and of course, there are many—don’t want that sex to be uncomfortable or unpleasant for me. They want to me to take pleasure in the act as well.
They want to feel attractive and competent and gentle and attentive. Many of them are all of those things. If they express guilt about paying for sex, I don’t try to talk them into feeling otherwise.
When one man said he should stop seeing me because the money he spent on our appointments should be going toward his kids’ college funds, I replied, “Well, if it makes you feel any better, it’s going toward mine.” (I never saw him again.)
Yes, I’ve met men who didn’t respect my boundaries and who harmed me, inadvertently or purposefully. But such men were few and far between, and I refused to see them again.
Not every man who visits a strip club, watches a clip of porn, or pays for sexual companionship wants to commit an act of violence against a woman. Rapists and murders are the ones who want to rape and strangle people; some of them hire escorts, some don’t.
When Melissa Farley tells The Economist that men who hire prostitutes “are not nice guys looking for a normal date. They regularly attempt to rape and strangle women,” she’s not talking about my experience.
Farley’s cloudy thinking rests on the belief that a man’s sexual interest in a woman is fundamentally disrespectful, fundamentally abusive, and fundamentally wrong.
But what’s wrong is the stigma surrounding sex work. In the professional world, there is no other service arrangement in which clients are accused of hating those whom they hire.
Not janitorial work, furniture moving, notoriously dangerous meat-factory work, or any other job that requires use of the service provider’s body in grueling, unhealthy ways.
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There are plenty of women who enjoy the act of coitus who will participate in it for free, a fair few of them only want a one night stand, a bit of "fun" so to speak. I don't care whether that was a serious statement or not there are women who WOULD have sex AND marry an "unattractive" man if they would stop being so hung up on their "unattractive" selves. They may even be more likely to go for them if they didn't feel they NEEDED a prostitute.

I'm not bashing prostitution. In fact i'm all for legalised prostitution where the work can be regulated better than it is at present (in certain countries). I'm just aware that a lot of people who "can't get it anywhere else" could. Sometimes they may not be able to get the women they want to jump into bed with them, but they could get a woman somewhere to fulfil their needs.

Want to use prostitutes? Bully for you. I hope you remember that you get what you pay for and it's always worth seeking out an individual who has no qualms about discussing their sexual health checks, showing you their papers, insist on you having done the same and other such fun things. I would hope the majority of those who do use the services of a sex worker do not pick up random girls from the street or insist on going bareback.

It is not merciful of God to "provide" such an outlet, if it is for the needy then it is there for those who are unable to control their sexual desire, not even not being able to control it in a relationship, but just not being able to control it. It can cater to unusual fancies, good old missionary, anything and everything, but it's still for those who are not able to control themselves, to restrict themselves.

I can't really get past the rest of the thread. Nor can I expand upon the topic.

Life is hard, we don't always get what we want. Everyone else has given a heap of good advice so I shan't repeat any of it.
I was a Hospital Corpsman in the U.S.Navy.My specialty was being a Laboratory Technician. We had to interview sailors who came to the Medical Clinic seeking treatment for sexual transmitted diseases. This was during the 1970's, pre-Aids. Most of the sailors had gonorreha infections.
Upon interviewing the infected sailors,MOST of them DID NOT get it from prostitutes .Most of the sailors had sex with women that did it for free.If a prositute was spreading STD's,it would be very bad for business. As far as being and feeling unattractive,how would you feel when most of the time you smile at someone of the opposite sex,and that person either ignores you and/or look at you as if you were something that smells bad that they just stepped in?
 
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This is a funny topic. People are justifying going to prostitutes. Priceless.
Well, when "plan A" does not work,one goes to "plan B". All of my life I wanted to find a woman who would be attracted to me as much as I was attracted to her. In my twenties,women have told me either directly or indirectly, " X..... you are a nice guy.You would make a good husband and a great father,BUT I have NO FEELINGS for you." We christains call each other sisters and brothers. Well... it seems that most christian women see me as a brother INSTEAD of as a lover. What frustrates me is,not bragging,that I AM a good lover. NO WOMAN, who has seen me naked, has EVER laughed at me OR complained. Many women want their man to fit in a certain box. This box contains all of the things that they are looking for in a man.It may be security,looks,status,would he make good looking babies,or whatever.
 
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Luke 9:23 said:
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."

I'll be honest I know exactly how you feel. I was married and after my marriage went sour I took time away from following Christ and indulged in my fleshly cravings, not knowing how badly it would affect me later. Looking back I have a hard time believing how badly I defiled myself and after a few months of counseling with one of my pastors over my being a victim of emotional abuse three times over (my mom, my ex-husband, and then my ex-boyfriend after my ex-husband) my pastor had me actually name my sin calling it what it was rather than sleeping around (adultery, fornication, bitterness, etc) and then write out a liturgy of confession/repentance to get me past it.
It's been fifteen months since I last had sex and I do miss it, but I won't ever go back to it unless I'm married. Inviting sin into any relationship really does curse the relationship and damages the people involved. Sometimes though, when I'm in my loneliest times I occasionally dream about looking for a guy to have fun with and then I look down at the tattoo on my wrist. It simply says "rescued" in hebrew but it's enough for me to get some perspective. Jesus died for that sin so I don't have to live to it, and rescued me from that lifestyle. What He has in store for me is greater. I can easily find comfort in that.
No one said following Jesus was easy. Jesus even said it would be difficult. The best way to summarize the Christian walk is this: Following Jesus is never easy, but it is always better.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions, I would love to help.
 
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If AYNONE knows what is must feel like to be lonely,God must surely does,since God is the Creator of everything and everyone. Have you ever wondered what God was doing BEFORE he created the universe? Yes,there are times that I think that God does not care about our romantic lives.For example,I am a football fan. When I played football,I always prayed before the game for no one would get hurt very bad. However, I NEVER have prayed to win a football game or that my favorite team( the 49ers) would win a football
game. I take prayer VERY seriously.The are more important things in life other than football,just as there are more important things in this world than me having a good romantic relationship. Therefore,I do not pray for either one. If I am attracted to someone and she does not like me,God would not force her to accept me. Therefore,praying about it would be an exercise in futility.
I would have to disagree with that. God is trinitarian. Three persons, one God. Before the Creation of the world God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were in community, fellowship, and in service to one another before time was created. God does not need us! But he wants us, and that is even better. :clap:
 
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Eghch..... ;)


For me, I've experienced intimacy in a situation that wasn't right. It's not something I want to experience again nor what I want to drag someone else into. When I get to wanting companionship like that, I place myself back in the place I was a decade ago and I gratefully make it through another day because the past wasn't healthy.

I'm not avoiding. I just knew that there was a lot I needed to work on within myself and simply grow up on my own in certain areas. I'm no angel. It's been years....there's been situations that kept me from "falling" because had it been up to me I would have crossed that line with a smile. I'm glad of where I'm at and how I've arrived here. It's difficult sometimes, but meh. I don't know really what to tell you other than that. I've just experienced something when I forced it. It's not worth it. I'd rather stay single. I'm not jaded. I'm just confident on what would work and it's a rare thing.
 
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I'll be honest I know exactly how you feel. I was married and after my marriage went sour I took time away from following Christ and indulged in my fleshly cravings, not knowing how badly it would affect me later. Looking back I have a hard time believing how badly I defiled myself and after a few months of counseling with one of my pastors over my being a victim of emotional abuse three times over (my mom, my ex-husband, and then my ex-boyfriend after my ex-husband) my pastor had me actually name my sin calling it what it was rather than sleeping around (adultery, fornication, bitterness, etc) and then write out a liturgy of confession/repentance to get me past it.
It's been fifteen months since I last had sex and I do miss it, but I won't ever go back to it unless I'm married. Inviting sin into any relationship really does curse the relationship and damages the people involved. Sometimes though, when I'm in my loneliest times I occasionally dream about looking for a guy to have fun with and then I look down at the tattoo on my wrist. It simply says "rescued" in hebrew but it's enough for me to get some perspective. Jesus died for that sin so I don't have to live to it, and rescued me from that lifestyle. What He has in store for me is greater. I can easily find comfort in that.
No one said following Jesus was easy. Jesus even said it would be difficult. The best way to summarize the Christian walk is this: Following Jesus is never easy, but it is always better.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions, I would love to help.
I am glad to hear that you are rescued. It seems to me that women,in general,make better christians than men do.When The Resurrection happened,the women were the first at the empty tomb.The men were in hiding.Women attend church and are involved in ministry more than men do.
Women have better self-control sexually than men do. Case in point,you see women standing on a street corner or walking the streets in any American city in the downtown area. Men drive by and pick up these women. You NEVER,NEVER,see any MEN standing on a street corner and /or walking on the street being picked up by women. The average male has about 10 times the testosterone that the average woman has. Now,just imagine,ALL of those sexual feelings that you have being multiplied by a factor of ten! I try to "play by the rules" by only dating and pursuing good christian women.BUT,these women ARE NOT interested in me.They tell me either directly or indirectly that I am NOT their type. I do have a single christian friend who is a male 45 year old virgin. He is a better man than I am. I never smoked,never drinked alcohol,never took illeagal drugs,never been arrested,and never been in jail. I guess sex is my only weakness. The GOOD thing is that I am now 57 years old. When a man gets older,his testosterone levels drop.If I DO find a good chritian wife in,let's say in three years,I may not be able to satisfy her sexually. By then,my desires and abilities will be gone.
 
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BUT,these women ARE NOT interested in me.They tell me either directly or indirectly that I am NOT their type.


Maybe they view you as a dweeb who justifies seeing prostitutes. Just sayin.
 
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Maybe they view you as a dweeb who justifies seeing prostitutes. Just sayin.
How does that make any sense?

Unless he talked about the prostitutes, there is no way they would know. I don't sense that he is a misogynist or a sexual deviant, so I believe he is using prostitutes as a backup. It doesn't seem that wrong to me. And he's most likely a troll.
 
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How does that make any sense?

Unless he talked about the prostitutes, there is no way they would know. I don't sense that he is a misogynist or a sexual deviant, so I believe he is using prostitutes as a backup. It doesn't seem that wrong to me. And he's most likely a troll.

Proverbs 14
12 There is a way which seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.
 
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I have to say the argument that women are better in control of their sexuality than men is both outdated and a lame copout. Sounds exactly like the argument used by schools in the 50s for kicking out pregnant teens but allowing the fathers to stay in school - boys will be boys, right?

People are individuals. Women can have high sex drives, and men can have low sex drives. Both can be equally tempted by sex. But both are fully capable of controlling themselves no matter how bad the temptation gets. There is no free pass just because one may have certain body parts.
 
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