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Your denomination clearly agrees with the Nicene Creed of the third council, because such belief is a prerequisite for posting in these forums.
Has the SDA tested the doctrines produced by the ecumenical councils and published their opinions of them?
ok so... "Ford said... that Spicer said... that Prescott said...". Still it is interesting administrivia about a meeting almost 100 years ago regarding Prescott.
But thanks for the post in any case.
I note that -- we have this scholarly work
in 1981 we have “The Sanctuary and the Atonement” published by the Biblical Research Committee of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. 700 pages of research for those interested in the content of the Sanctuary subject.
(Or we could just look for more "meeting minutes" - for those that prefer that)
Not true. If you have the Day of Atonement not starting until 1844 you have a problem and the SDA POV is sustained.
When Moses inaugurated the sanctuary - he did not then "stay in the MHP for the rest of the year" and the priests did not enter the MHP daily -- after that.
Not sure how this helps you. but you seem to be skipping over these "details"
It does help for a few reasons. Jesus' entry extended throughout the whole sanctuary, or He could not inaugurate.
Certainly that was also true of Moses - but it did not delete the Day of Atonement and did not leave the MHP open for all the daily services during the year.
However when we look at Heb 6 we do not see any focus at all on "inauguration" or on "Day of Atonement".
Heb 6:
17 In the same way God, desiring even more to demonstrate to the heirs of the promise the fact that His purpose is unchangeable, confirmed it with an oath, 18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to hold firmly to the hope set before us. 19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and reliable and one which enters within the veil, 20 where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
Paul does not point to inauguration or judgment or Day of Atonement in Heb 6 - He points to the daily ministry of Christ as High Priest in Heb 6:
Heb4:
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things just as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let’s approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace for help at the time of our need.
Heb 7:
24 Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is also able to save forever those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens; 27 who has no daily need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because He did this once for all time when He offered up Himself.
Paul points to the ongoing daily ministry work of Christ as High Priest in the book of Hebrews.
Do you have a link to the Sanctuary and the Atonement resource? Or is it like the DARCOM volumes where they only released a .pdf of the first volume after it went out of print? .
You talked about 6, but then quoted from 4 and 7 but skipped the reference in 9 that I mentioned which Davidson thinks speaks of inauguration.
I have the book - hard copy as Ford first provided it. I don't have a link for it. But I can tell you that on that same page 51 - Ford points out that Prescott rejected not only the IJ but also issue regarding the Trinity and that while he had promised Spicer not to teach his views in his classes - he still continued having open conversations about his views with what he called "the leading men of the denomination". And after much discussion with Spicer - asked Spicer if he should resign.
Your denomination clearly agrees with the Nicene Creed of the third council, because such belief is a prerequisite for posting in these forums.
Has the SDA tested the doctrines produced by the ecumenical councils and published their opinions of them?
Oh not that book, I have the hard copy and the online one for that.
I meant the one you say you like from the BRI. I have the DARCOM but not the one you mentioned.
I already pointed out in my post that 9 is the only place you find inauguration in Hebrews.
So it sounds like the council in Acts 15 is regarded by SDAs as authoritative. And then the first General Conference in 1863.
Any authoritative councils between those two?
I already pointed out in my post that 9 is the only place you find inauguration in Hebrews.
10:20 uses the same word for inauguration in Greek:
Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,
Heb 10:21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
ἐγκαινίζω
From G1456; to renew, that is, inaugurate: - consecrate, dedicate.
The entry which included the inauguration was through the whole sanctuary. But it was also, like the sacrifice, once for all. It was the only entry ever.
Yeah - that one is hard copy only in my case - I don't know where to fine it online currently.
True but that is into the sanctuary - it was not a once for all entry into the MHP , it was once for all entry into the sanctuary.
True but that is into the sanctuary - it was not a once for all entry into the MHP , it was once for all entry into the sanctuary. No text in all of scripture speaks of a "once for all entry into the Holy of Holies, or the most holy place"
Heb 10:
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, through His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let’s approach God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Which is yet another reference to the daily ministry of Christ. An entrance into the Holy Place. The veil "His flesh" - the one sacrifice for all - the sacrifice of Himself on the cross - that begins the service in heaven. And the Heb 9 daily work of cleansing the soul who repents and confesses.
Bob, the work the priest did in the daily was to offer blood. Jesus already offered His blood. He doesn't do it again and again. .
Also, the washing and sprinkling refer to the dedication of priests.
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