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Seven Days Before

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Handmaid for Jesus, May 8, 2016.

  1. jgr

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    If you believe something is worth burning at the stake for, why would you be willingly sloppy about it?

    Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5 :

    Time, times, and half a time in years = 3.5 years
    42 months in years = 3.5 years
    Number of days in 3.5 years = 1260 days
    Number of years in 1260 days = 1260 years via the day-year principle of Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:5-6, and Luke 13:31-33

    538 AD - Destruction of the Ostrogoths, last of the three kingdoms overthrown by the papacy
    1798 AD - Capture of Pope Pius VI by General Bertier, terminating the historical papacy
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    1260 years = lifespan of the historical papacy
     
  2. Riberra

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    I waited that you put forward the day-year principle...

    The mention of the 42 months in Revelation 13 tell us that God use the Old Hebrew Calendar of 1 Month = 30 Days

    Thus
    42 x 30 =1260 [ordinary days made of 24 hours]That will be the duration of the - still unfulfilled - reign of the Beast ...Revelation 13:3-9
     
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  3. jgr

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    The choice: Fulfillment or fantasy.

    Easy choice for me.
     
  4. Riberra

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    Can you tell us when the Papacy have imposed the mark upon everyone on the Earth Revelation 13:16-17 ?
    Revelation 13:16-17
    16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, [even] the name of the beast or the number of his name.
     
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  5. jgr

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    Obviously not yet. The majority of prophecies in Daniel 7 and its parallels in Revelation apply to the historical papacy which ended in 1798. But the papacy recovered from that wound (Revelation 13:3) and is still here today. The mark is yet to come.
     
  6. Riberra

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    Exactly ... the 42 months reign of the Beast described in Revelation 13 is yet to come... in a still unknown time in the future.
     
  7. jgr

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    The mark is yet to come. The 42 months (1260 years) is history.
     
  8. Riberra

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    The 42 months ie[3,5 years] will begin not long after the Beast /AC will be hit at the head and his death-stroke will mysteriously be healed ...

    Revelation 13:3-5
    3 And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4 and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?

    5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.

    More proof that the AC will not be a ordinary human [ Revelation 17:8] ....but wait --Abaddon is an angel an he cannot die [Revelation 9:11]
     
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  9. jgr

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    You are correct if you're considering those verses as strictly chronological. Other visions in Revelation are not chronological, however. I consider that to be the case here, particularly given that verse 5 appears long before in Daniel 7:25, and given the historical correlations between these scriptures and the characteristics and behaviors of the papacy.
     
  10. Riberra

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    Daniel 7:25 is exactly the passage needed to define the duration of its reign ...

    a time and times and half a time > that is 3,5 years = 42 months. which correspond exactly with Revelation 13...
     
  11. jgr

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    Yes, and 1260 years in day-year prophetic time.
     
  12. Riberra

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    That is the trick used by the reformers ....

    God himself tell Daniel that the DURATION in YEARS will be 3,5 years >a time and times and half a time...

    Daniel 7:25

    25 And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High;[/b] and he shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time.

    And that is not a good news for all the unfortunate Christians who will be alive during these end time events .
     
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  13. jgr

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    Long before the Reformers.

    From Wikipedia: This view was recognized by the Jews as seen in Daniel 9:24-27, and as seen in Jesus' use of the day-year principle in Luke 13 verses 31-33, and in the early church.
     
  14. Riberra

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    True for Daniel 9:24-27 ... which have historically proved to have happened in the 490 years allowed.

    But as i said in the other post , God Himself defined the time in Daniel 7:25 ....the duration will be a time and times and half a time...


    You admitted that the MARK associated with the 42 months reign of the Beast [the AC]is yet to come in a still unknown time in the future ...

    Thus the theory of the 1,260 years associated with the Papacy does not match what is written in Revelation 13 and Revelation 17:8-14 who obviously give more details about the Little Horn of Daniel 7:25...

    Even if you try to hold with the 1260 years ...nothing mentioned in Revelation 13 and Revelation 17:8-14 have been fulfilled by the Papacy.... the 1,260 years have passed long time ago...

    Revelation 17:8-14
    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

    9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: 10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

    11 And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven; and he goeth into perdition.

    12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

    13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.

    14 These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings; and they [also shall overcome] that are with him, called and chosen and faithful.
     
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  15. jgr

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    Daniel 7:8,21,25 descriptions are at least partially repeated in Revelation 13:5-7. I've shown in post 127 how those are fulfilled by the papacy.
     
  16. Riberra

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    What about the other beast [false prophet] who will work with the first beast ?

    Revelation 13:11-15
    11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

    13 And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men.

    14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived.

    15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
     
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  17. jgr

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    I haven't formed an opinion about that beast yet. Who or what do you think he/she or it is?
     
  18. Riberra

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    Nobody know at this time .... maybe a Pope in the future may become the false prophet ie[the second beast described in Revelation 13:11-15] that is Satan who will give them power .
     
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  19. jgr

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    I would agree with you.
     
  20. Riberra

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    Thus, the 1260 years ended in 1798 AD ....and the pope have still not been defeated by the reformers of the protestant churches !!!Actually the pope is at the head of more than 1,2 billion Catholic Christians ...none of them worship the Pope.
     
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