Sending atheists to Hell is Evil

[Blessedj01]

No, I didn't read the link.

Why in the world would I need someone to interpret the bible? Anyone with a high school education should be able to read it. Not bragging, but I have more than that.



Admittedly, I read the bible cover to cover a long time ago. About 45 years ago.

Again, you seem to be saying that the words in the bible don't actually mean what they say, that God is incapable of writing a comprehensible paragraph. That it needs to be "interpreted". Is this true?



Quoting the bible (and NOT quote mining....the verses before and after do not change the meaning whatsoever) is taking things out of context?

Your entire argument seems to be based around trying to convince me that the words in the bible don't mean what they say, but have a completely different meaning.

That is silly.

I think we're done.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

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You have any idea how much it scares me that so many people are seemingly ok with the idea that the vast majority of people get sent to eternal torment on the basis of not believing in the "right" deity?

It helps me understand the thinking of the 9/11 terrorists.

If eternally torturing someone is moral, how can flying a plane into a building possibly be immoral? How can they think anything they decide to do is immoral?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Questions about Sin

Read up, I'm going to sleep. I'll jump back on the theological merry-go-round later.

...and read the poem you wrote too. It makes more sense then perhaps you know. Almost self-prophesying.

-_- of course I have read the poem I wrote, I wrote it. It is a criticism of people behaving as if being a believer makes them better as people. I have one for more of the sins than just this one (Pride), although to this day that masterpiece is unfinished. I refuse to consider it done until all stanzas match the quality of the one in my signature.

Yes, the sin that god allowed to exist and never really explained fully to beings who couldn't understand right from wrong to begin with, who allowed the serpent in the garden to exist, who put the temptation there in the first place. It doesn't justify a belief based salvation system.

 

[Blessedj01]

It helps me understand the thinking of the 9/11 terrorists.

If eternally torturing someone is moral, how can flying a plane into a building possibly be immoral? How can they think anything they decide to do is immoral?

We are nothing like terrorists. Welcome to ignore, buddy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

We are nothing like terrorists. Welcome to ignore, buddy.

You are going to run out of people to talk to.

 

[Blessedj01]

You are going to run out of people to talk to.

Suits me, I don't need to talk to people who say hateful and inflammatory things.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Suits me, I don't need to talk to people who say hateful and inflammatory things.

It's a dangerous game to play, because blocked people can still read and respond to your posts, but you can't see theirs and thus defend your position from them. It makes you a fish in a barrel.

 

[Blessedj01]

-_- of course I have read the poem I wrote, I wrote it. It is a criticism of people behaving as if being a believer makes them better as people. I have one for more of the sins than just this one (Pride), although to this day that masterpiece is unfinished. I refuse to consider it done until all stanzas match the quality of the one in my signature.

Yes, the sin that god allowed to exist and never really explained fully to beings who couldn't understand right from wrong to begin with, who allowed the serpent in the garden to exist, who put the temptation there in the first place. It doesn't justify a belief based salvation system.

Your poem says more about you than it does other people.

 

[Blessedj01]

It's a dangerous game to play, because blocked people can still read and respond to your posts, but you can't see theirs and thus defend your position from them. It makes you a fish in a barrel.

That's fine. I don't ignore them because I need the last word, I do it because they are debating/discussing in an grossly uncivilized manner.

And/Or...I find myself tempted to respond in kind and ignoring them would be better for both parties, (I and them.)

 

[PsychoSarah]

Your poem says more about you than it does other people.

I don't claim to understand god, clearly I don't because I view the whole mess of sin and salvation as extremely irrational; something that said deity must view as rational, otherwise it wouldn't act this way. However, I also don't have any motivation to try to claim said deity is 100% benevolent, and I personally think the ideal many people have about god is a lot better than the being the bible describes.

 

[keith99]

We'll start in the most obvious place. Have you heard of the Bible?

A book written by men. By that standard Gandalf and Harry Potter were real.

 

[Blessedj01]

A book written by men. By that standard Gandalf and Harry Potter were real.

Apples & oranges.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

We are nothing like terrorists. ...

Both you, and the 9/11 terrorists, base(d) their morality on "the word of God".

That is a fact, whether to choose to admit it or not.

 

[Judean]

By this logic, I would have to believe in Allah, Santa, Hercules, Unicorns, Mithra, Yahweh, Zeus, the Dreamtime, Bigfoot, etc. etc. etc.

Im not saying you should be religious, all i'm saying is that basic belief in the existence of God is not hard to believe. don't accept the teachings from all the revelations unless you know that they are all true, but they all have one universal fundamental teaching which is reasonable to accept: His existence

 

[bhsmte]

Im not saying you should be religious, all i'm saying is that basic belief in the existence of God is not hard to believe. don't accept the teachings from all the revelations unless you know that they are all true, but they all have one universal fundamental teaching which is reasonable to accept: His existence

Agree, it is not hard to believe, just based on how many believe it.

With that said, whether one believes would depend on the following:

-their upbringing
-their thinking type: analytical or intutitive
-their life's experiences
-their personal psychology and psychological needs

One thing is very clear though in the world in general. Belief in a God is declining and has been for many decades.

 

[Judean]

With that said, whether one believes would depend on the following:

-their upbringing
-their thinking type: analytical or intutitive
-their life's experiences
-their personal psychology and psychological needs

i'm very young so I can only tell you that number one is wrong.
I'm under 20 and yet I departed from several beliefs taken for granted in my community
on rational grounds, but I do think that belief in existence is fully rational.Lets not get into the arguments here just take this:most philosophers of the enlightenment believed it, that includes Rene Discartes and the king of rationalists Baruch Spinoza (according to many thinkers).
what matters further is how to define God, but most accepted His existence.

 

[FireDragon76]

One thing is very clear though in the world in general. Belief in a God is declining and has been for many decades.

That's not really true. Traditional and organized religion may be declining, but belief in God? No. The number of true atheists and agnostics in the US is still relatively small and not growing all that much in the past decades. And in other parts of the world, such as China- belief in God is increasing. Religious "nones" generally cannot be considered to be atheist or agnostic.

 

[bhsmte]

i'm very young so I can only tell you that number one is wrong.
I'm under 20 and yet I departed from several beliefs taken for granted in my community
on rational grounds, but I do think that belief in existence is fully rational.Lets not get into the arguments here just take this:most philosophers of the enlightenment believed it, that includes Rene Discartes and the king of rationalists Baruch Spinoza (according to many thinkers)

Those folks who believed it back then, didn't have the information (scientific discoveries) available to them to help form an opinion.

Do you think doctors from 100 years ago, had the same beliefs on how to practice medicine as those who have modern medical evidence available to them?

This is why, IMO, belief in general is in decline and it has been for decades. People acquire knowledge and much of this knowledge goes against being able to reconcile belief in a personal God. Could also be why, those who attain higher levels of education, have lower percentages of belief in a God.

 

[bhsmte]

That's not really true. Traditional and organized religion may be declining, but belief in God? No. The number of true atheists and agnostics in the US is still relatively small and not growing all that much in the past decades. And in other parts of the world, such as China- belief in God is increasing. Religious "nones" generally cannot be considered to be atheist or agnostic.

Wrong, belief in a God has been declining for decades in the world in general.

Sure, some third world countries and china and Russia have increased, but in most advanced countries of Europe and the United States, it has been in steady decline.

 

[Judean]

Those folks who believed it back then, didn't have the information (scientific discoveries) available to them to help form an opinion.

did you read about any of the rational arguments for God?
doesn't look it, because non of those are effected by evolution etc.
its just that a common-folk -not familiar with philosophy- on seeing evolution, would say that evolution effects anything.
that is why percents are higher in the educated