Sending atheists to Hell is Evil

[Blessedj01]

How is not believing a bronze age story about a mythical being flippant? You aren't making any sense.

You're still being flippant and getting very close to being ignored.

I'm pretty sure the bible says you are supposed to be interested in saving my soul. And the fact that you make an excuse, instead of providing evidence, seems to indicate that you have no evidence.

I'm not the author of your salvation, God is.

Show an interest - and some respect - then maybe we'll talk about your soul.

Of course, you could prove me wrong....but that would require evidence. Requiring evidence is mockery? That sort of belief system is equivalent to gullibility.

There is all sorts of evidence. I don't have the time nor the desire to explain it all to you.

Come with a genuine heart to seek and you might find.

 

[Blessedj01]

Yes it does: Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

... And do you see anything there about a lack of choice or people being innocent?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

There is all sorts of evidence. I don't have the time nor the desire to explain it all to you.

Come with a genuine heart to seek and you might find.

You keep stating that you have evidence.

In all goodness, and with a genuine heart, I respectfully ask that you please provide that evidence.

Thank you.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

... And do you see anything there about a lack of choice or people being innocent?

You can't force yourself to believe the unbelievable, at least I can't.

God gave me my brain, and that brain won't accept that He exists without evidence. God has taken the time to have a close personal relationship with many on this forum, yet he has chosen not to do that with me.

So I am innocent, yet I'm going to be tortured for all eternity. Don't you think that is immoral?

 

[quatona]

Then subjective morality or objective morality?

Whatever you consider your morality to be.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Then subjective morality or objective morality?

Whichever one you want. I think it is immoral in both cases.

 

[Blessedj01]

You keep stating that you have evidence.

In all goodness, and with a genuine heart, I respectfully ask that you please provide that evidence.

Thank you.

We'll start in the most obvious place. Have you heard of the Bible?

 

[Blessedj01]

You can't force yourself to believe the unbelievable, at least I can't.

God gave me my brain, and that brain won't accept that He exists without evidence. God has taken the time to have a close personal relationship with many on this forum, yet he has chosen not to do that with me.

So I am innocent, yet I'm going to be tortured for all eternity. Don't you think that is immoral?

You aren't innocent and neither am I. If you don't believe the verse, or in God, or in sin, then you can't change the verse to mean what you want it to mean.

 

[Judean]

Why would God torture me for all eternity for something I have no control over?

it's not that hard to believe.
An example: before you leave for vacation your not 100% sure that you'll enjoy, the hotel, weather etc. suggests that you will but there is no concrete evidence, yet you seem to "believe" that you will.
The same here: you see an amazing design, the philosophical arguments made by pure rationalists such as Aristotle and you read about revelation Sinai etc., is it so hard to believe?

besides there are no evidence against the existence of God, so why not accept revelation?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

it's not that hard to believe.
An example: before you leave for vacation your not 100% sure that you'll enjoy, the hotel, weather etc. suggests that you will but there is no concrete evidence, yet you seem to "believe" that you will.
The same here: you see an amazing design, the philosophical arguments made by pure rationalists such as Aristotle and you read about revelation Sinai etc., is it so hard to believe?

No, I hope that I will enjoy my vacation. I fully acknowledge the uncertainty inherent in the situation because I'm aware of the possibility that I might not enjoy it at all.

besides there are no evidence against the existence of God, so why not accept revelation?

Which revelation should one accept?

 

[Davian]

it's not that hard to believe.
An example: before you leave for vacation your not 100% sure that you'll enjoy, the hotel, weather etc. suggests that you will but there is no concrete evidence, yet you seem to "believe" that you will.
The same here: you see an amazing design, the philosophical arguments made by pure rationalists such as Aristotle and you read about revelation Sinai etc., is it so hard to believe?

besides there are no evidence against the existence of God, so why not accept revelation?

Have you any evidence against you owing me ten thousand dollars?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

We'll start in the most obvious place. Have you heard of the Bible?

Yes, and I've read it cover to cover.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

You aren't innocent and neither am I. If you don't believe the verse, or in God, or in sin, then you can't change the verse to mean what you want it to mean.

I'm not innocent, but I certainly don't deserve to be tortured for all eternity.

Heck, I've never been in trouble with the law. Probably the worst thing I did was drunk drive a few times, and that was almost 40 years ago when it was more or less socially acceptable.

 

[Blessedj01]

Yes, and I've read it cover to cover.

Is that so? Spent a lot of time on something you have no time for, don't you think?

 

[Blessedj01]

I'm not innocent, but I certainly don't deserve to be tortured for all eternity.

According to you. Sin says otherwise.

Heck, I've never been in trouble with the law.

God's law is a lot more serious.

Probably the worst thing I did was drunk drive a few times, and that was almost 40 years ago when it was more or less socially acceptable.

Aww, aren't you a saint?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

it's not that hard to believe.
An example: before you leave for vacation your not 100% sure that you'll enjoy, the hotel, weather etc. suggests that you will but there is no concrete evidence, yet you seem to "believe" that you will.

Bad analogy. I have plenty of evidence that I will enjoy myself. Previous vacations, hearing from others about their vacations. I know something may go wrong, but I have a good pretty good idea of what the odds are.

The same here: you see an amazing design, the philosophical arguments made by pure rationalists such as Aristotle and you read about revelation Sinai etc., is it so hard to believe?

besides there are no evidence against the existence of God, so why not accept revelation?

It is impossible to believe, that's the way my brain works.

By this logic, I would have to believe in Allah, Santa, Hercules, Unicorns, Mithra, Yahweh, Zeus, the Dreamtime, Bigfoot, etc. etc. etc.

God apparently gave me my brain, so really this has nothing to do with me. God is planning on torturing me for all eternity for something he did. I think that is immoral. Do you think it is immoral?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Is that so? Spent a lot of time on something you have no time for, don't you think?

That was when I was Christian.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

According to you. Sin says otherwise.

What sin could any human being possibly commit that would merit everlasting torture?

 

[Blessedj01]

That was when I was Christian.

You get more and more strange, TFY.

 

[Blessedj01]

What sin could any human being possibly commit that would merit everlasting torture?

All sins.

Sorry, but I'm a bit tired. You've been around here 7 years having these concepts explained to you (which begs the question as to why you keep asking the same things when you already know the answer), but in case you haven't yet then you're going to have to just do some reading. I can't type out every faucet of theology.

Are all sins equal to God? Is all sin the same?