Sending atheists to Hell is Evil

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Or, with your hands, comparing sheets of sandpaper of differing grit sizes.

That's a very good analog, thanks!

As with sound, we hear more of the difference between the notes (colors), than we do a specific frequency.

Another good point, colors are not defined by themselves but in spectrum order and difference from the other "flavors" of light.

Might you be able to answer how many are there? 7 by Newton's ROY G BIV accounting or 6 by chromatics?

 

[Judean]

For the balance of your life, you require concrete evidence, but when it come to theology, you drop your pants?

not just in theology but in every philosophical matter such as ethics... science also works that way, evolution has no concrete evidence but since the fossil record... seems to suggest that it happened it is accepted

How do "gods" become probable? Or even possible?

because everything is possible, and probable, some people consider intelligent design to pose a probability others might consider the rational arguments to do so.
either way,you don't have to agree just see that there is a possibility

Do you mind if I continue to hold on to my intellectual integrity for now?

no, not the slightest bit everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[FireDragon76]

Sure, some third world countries and china and Russia have increased, but in most advanced countries of Europe and the United States, it has been in steady decline.

This is a good example of bigoted ethnocentrism out of individuals who believe they are enlightened. Your idea of what is an "advanced country" is highly debatable. China, Russia, and India are not full of cultural and intellectual weaklings.

 

[Blessedj01]

You are being rude and presumptuous. I only left Christianity behind roughly 2-3 years ago. As you already know, because I've already told you, I joined this forum as a Christian.

I'm just pointing out that you have been repeating yourself for years.

If there is a place where God isn't, then doesn't that mean God isn't omnipresent?

If God is omnipresent, does that mean God is in hell?

Here's what I find baffling. You actually think that this act of divine vengeance is good.

Where did you get vengeance from that? If you don't want to be where God is, you won't be there.

If someone doesn't want to come into my house, it's not "vengeance" for me to shut the door.

You'll be less baffled if you actually start listening to what Christians say. Instead, you shut your ears and repeat yourself ad infinitum.

By now you should at least understand the basic theology behind the doctrine of hell.

You can choose not to believe in it, but to pretend you don't understand it is getting old.

It seems to me, when you were a Christian, you did not have a solid base of theology upon which to place your faith...

Matthew 13 New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

evidence, take for an example intelligent design.
if I told that no one built the Brooklyn bridge it just sprouted out out of nowhere you would say I'm dumb.No one can visualize the building of something complex on its own . Yet we see before our eyes complex stuff coming into being naturally and especially in modern times with evolution etc., isn't it reasonable to suggest (not prove) that there is a force behind nature? or at least identify God with nature as did Spinoza.

Consider mathematical objects. Take the points that satisfy the equation x^2 + y^2 = 1. They make a perfect circle.

Was that perfect circle created by anyone, or is it just there, waiting to be discovered?

Whatever your answer, there are other, more intricate mathematical objects that will of course receive the same answer . . . such as the Mandelbrot set.

Is God Himself such an intricate mathematical object, of the infinite sort?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm just pointing out that you have been repeating yourself for years.

And I'm pointing out that you're wrong. That often happens when one is presumptuous.

If God is omnipresent, does that mean God is in hell?

Sorry, I'm not going to do your work for you. You may summarise the main points of the article if you wish, and we can discuss that.

Where did you get vengeance from that? If you don't want to be where God is, you won't be there.

If someone doesn't want to come into my house, it's not "vengeance" for me to shut the door.

You'll be less baffled if you actually start listening to what Christians say. Instead, you shut your ears and repeat yourself ad infinitum.

It's vengeance for not believing in the right dogmas. Those who do believe in the right dogmas are spared, regardless of the severity of their sins. Those who fail to do so are punished everlastingly, regardless of the severity of their sins. This is not a just system.

By now you should at least understand the basic theology behind the doctrine of hell.

You can choose not to believe in it, but to pretend you don't understand it is getting old.

I understand what is claimed about Hell by various theologians. That doesn't mean I have to agree with what is claimed. There are varied conceptions of Hell. I'm addressing yours right now.

It seems to me, when you were a Christian, you did not have a solid base of theology upon which to place your faith...

Yeah, maybe I should never have studied theology informally. That must be it!

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

And I'm pointing out that you're wrong. That often happens when one is presumptuous.



Sorry, I'm not going to do your work for you. You may summarise the main points of the article if you wish, and we can discuss that.



It's vengeance for not believing in the right dogmas. Those who do believe in the right dogmas are spared, regardless of the severity of their sins. Those who fail to do so are punished everlastingly, regardless of the severity of their sins. This is not a just system.



I understand what is claimed about Hell by various theologians. That doesn't mean I have to agree with what is claimed. There are varied conceptions of Hell. I'm addressing yours right now.



Yeah, maybe I should never have studied theology informally. That must be it!

If you were to design an appropriate system of everlasting life, what would it's characteristics be, in your own mind, in order to take in such varied humans as you, me, Hitler and Ghandi?

 

[Blessedj01]

And I'm pointing out that you're wrong. That often happens when one is presumptuous.

Can I just ask...what do you get out of this? Are you addicted to the feeling of these arguments? Do you feel like you're saving somebody, or is it anger that drives you towards expressing your disgust - over and over.

Sorry, I'm not going to do your work for you. You may summarise the main points of the article if you wish, and we can discuss that.

It's not my work, it's yours. You made the assertion. I'll be putting you back on ignore after I have written this post. It's just not worth it for me to spend time trying to explain things to somebody who's got a militantly negative attitude.

Unfortunately, you'll be the one who ultimately loses out. GotQuestions is a very simple website, with concise answers. If seeking answers for Biblical questions is no longer palatable to you, if you can't even bring yourself to check out a single page of information - you're always going to hold erroneous views.

It's vengeance for not believing in the right dogmas. Those who do believe in the right dogmas are spared, regardless of the severity of their sins. Those who fail to do so are punished everlastingly, regardless of the severity of their sins. This is not a just system.

That's right, it's not just. Because that's your theology. That's not actually what's written in the Bible. You love it, debasing the Word by distilling it into your own language. It makes you feel superior to the people you're talking down to - and it enables you to throw a spanner in the works of any sensible discussion.

I understand what is claimed about Hell by various theologians. That doesn't mean I have to agree with what is claimed. There are varied conceptions of Hell. I'm addressing yours right now.

I don't think you have demonstrated any solid understanding thus far.

Yeah, maybe I should never have studied theology informally. That must be it!

No, maybe you should have actually formed a solid theological basis for your beliefs and not allowed yourself to become prone to surface based, knee-jerk reactions that don't take into account the whole theological truth.

Have a nice day!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Colors are just perception. Outside your head there isn't any colors. You can trick your brain to see colors that's not there (the signal from the screen doesn't change while what you "see" does.)
Do you believe colors exist? To a blind man colors don't exist.

Colors are very much a real phenomenon and not something limited to the mind.

Different colors represent differing frequencies or wavelengths of light.

Lower frequencies (that's long wavelength) appear red whereas high frequency (short wavelength) appears blue.

Science doesn't need faith. It works in its own.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Can I just ask...what do you get out of this? Are you addicted to the feeling of these arguments? Do you feel like you're saving somebody, or is it anger that drives you towards expressing your disgust - over and over.

Presumably the same thing you "get out of it" - a conversation.

It's not my work, it's yours. You made the assertion. I'll be putting you back on ignore after I have written this post. It's just not worth it for me to spend time trying to explain things to somebody who's got a militantly negative attitude.

It seems that most of the people you interact with end up on "ignore" one way or the other. IMO, that reflects something about you, not the people you ignore.

Unfortunately, you'll be the one who ultimately loses out. GotQuestions is a very simple website, with concise answers. If seeking answers for Biblical questions is no longer palatable to you, if you can't even bring yourself to check out a single page of information - you're always going to hold erroneous views.

If the answers are so concise, then why can't you articulate them?

I'm not interested in interacting with a website. If that's the way you want to structure a "conversation," then presumably you won't mind if I simply post links that comment on your links?

That's right, it's not just. Because that's your theology. That's not actually what's written in the Bible. You love it, debasing the Word by distilling it into your own language. It makes you feel superior to the people you're talking down to - and it enables you to throw a spanner in the works of any sensible discussion.

Um, it's not my theology. I don't have a theology. I'm criticising your theology; in particular, one aspect of it that you claim is just.

I don't think you have demonstrated any solid understanding thus far.

No, maybe you should have actually formed a solid theological basis for your beliefs and not allowed yourself to become prone to surface based, knee-jerk reactions that don't take into account the whole theological truth.

Have a nice day!

The "theological truth" according to whom, you? Before casting aspersions on my theological understanding, which you have very little insight into anyway, perhaps you should consider addressing the questions put to you about your theology?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Colors are very much a real phenomenon and not something limited to the mind.

Different colors represent differing frequencies or wavelengths of light.

Lower frequencies (that's long wavelength) appear red whereas high frequency (short wavelength) appears blue.

Science doesn't need faith. It works in its own.

Presumably he is referring to the phenomenology of colour, which is a different kind of problem than the one you are addressing.

 

[Davian]

not just in theology but in every philosophical matter such as ethics... science also works that way, evolution has no concrete evidence but since the fossil record... seems to suggest that it happened it is accepted

lol.

Don't forget gravitational theory. Atomic theory. Germ theory. Semiconductor theory.

Computers don't actually work. It is a conspiracy maintained by scientists to maintain their funding for doing other work.

Hilarious.

because everything is possible, and probable,

Do you worry about planes disappearing into the Bermuda triangle? Reptilian humanoids running our governments? Pixies hiding your car keys?

some people consider intelligent design to pose a probability others might consider the rational arguments to do so.
either way,you don't have to agree just see that there is a possibility.

I do not think that there is the possibility that you have considered any rational arguments.

 

[Smidlee]

lol.

Don't forget gravitational theory. Atomic theory. Germ theory. Semiconductor theory.

Computers don't actually work. It is a conspiracy maintained by scientists to maintain their funding for doing other work.

Computers have to have hardware , software, and power or they won't work. Scientist tries to explain "origins" by hardware (matter)and energy only without software since that would point to a programmer. Evolution is one such attempt.

We are not just living in an information age but an information universe. Look at what man can do once he understood information. God spoke (information) this universe into existence. No matter how hard scientist tries to deny it this matched "reality" more than matter and energy only created the universe.

I love it when evolutionist tries to use technology involving information as examples.

 

[Davian]

Computers have to have hardware , software, and power or they won't work. Scientist tries to explain "origins" by hardware (matter)and energy only without software since that would point to a programmer. Evolution is one such attempt.

We are not just living in an information age but an information universe. Look at what man can do once he understood information. God spoke (information) this universe into existence. No matter how hard scientist tries to deny it this matched "reality" more than matter and energy only created the universe.

I love it when evolutionist tries to use technology involving information as examples.

Nice strawman.

Judean was making the comment that is okay to "drop your (intellectual) pants" for theology and philosophy because the same is done in science. This is a variation on the "it's only a theory" rhetoric.

I consider it hypocritical to make anti-science postings using a computer and the internet.

As for your "God spoke (information) this universe into existence ," get back to me with some sort of demonstrable evidence that gods are even possible.

 

[Blessedj01]

Computers have to have hardware , software, and power or they won't work. Scientist tries to explain "origins" by hardware (matter)and energy only without software since that would point to a programmer. Evolution is one such attempt.

We are not just living in an information age but an information universe. Look at what man can do once he understood information. God spoke (information) this universe into existence. No matter how hard scientist tries to deny it this matched "reality" more than matter and energy only created the universe.

I love it when evolutionist tries to use technology involving information as examples.

I get you and I don't think you are being anti-science. The computer analogy is a clever one.

 

[Judean]

lol.

Don't forget gravitational theory. Atomic theory. Germ theory. Semiconductor theory.

Computers don't actually work. It is a conspiracy maintained by scientists to maintain their funding for doing other work.

Hilarious.

I wasn't speaking about established facts. Another example is the Oort cloud, it has no evidence but it makes sense and explains the comet problem so it's accepted.
(don't mistake me for a creationist, just because there are no hard core evidence doesn't mean it's not true)

Do you worry about planes disappearing into the Bermuda triangle? Reptilian humanoids running our governments? Pixies hiding your car keys?

I believe the universe is run completely by natural law, but that there's a Force behind all this.So no, I'm not worried.
(I'm too young to legally own car keys)

I do not think that there is the possibility that you have considered any rational arguments.

OUCH! it's a good one, but always consider a possibility!

 

[bhsmte]

This is a good example of bigoted ethnocentrism out of individuals who believe they are enlightened. Your idea of what is an "advanced country" is highly debatable. China, Russia, and India are not full of cultural and intellectual weaklings.

I was not claiming China and Russia were third world countries. I said, third world countries AND China and Russia.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Computers have to have hardware , software, and power or they won't work. Scientist tries to explain "origins" by hardware (matter)and energy only without software since that would point to a programmer. Evolution is one such attempt.

You are referring to the metaphor of the mind as a computer. I don't know if you are aware, but cognitive science isn't based solely on that metaphor. Various ground-up approaches have been developed.

 

[Smidlee]

You are referring to the metaphor of the mind as a computer. I don't know if you are aware, but cognitive science isn't based solely on that metaphor. Various ground-up approaches have been developed.

The mind is far from being a computer. Who believes a computer created Windows 8? Intelligent life created computers. I also believe Life created the universe.

 

[Davian]

The mind is far from being a computer.

An analog computer with distributed memory and processing functions.

Who believes a computer created Windows 8? Intelligent life created computers.

The Devil created Windows 8.

<goes back to removing Windows 8 from his MBP and installing Windows 7>

Intelligent life created computers. I also believe Life created the universe.

Define "life" in a testable, falsifiable manner that would include gods (if you feel that they are required).