Sell all that you have, give to the poor, and follow me

[Nihilist Virus]

Your on this tangent that not only doesn't fit your argument, it makes no logical sense.

Nothing subjective. Give me facts. Support your argument. Don't try to think you're going to get me to change my stance by constantly repeating the same error over, and over, and over, and over.............

You sir are wrong. Your arguement is flawed. here is why:

(Mar 10:19-27) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Sell all you have, pick up your cross and follow me. Jesus just asked him to be a disciple. Just like when he said:
Mar 1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
Mar 1:18 And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.

Ok look at Mark 1:18: And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him. They left all their material wealth behind, immediately, because Jesus was of more value to them. Not so for the other guy.

And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. See? This guy was mad wealthy, and he did not count Christ worthy of all his worldly possessions. So he decide to keep his wealth over his "Master".

Now... I know you're going to think this is a blanket statement for all believers, but it isn't. This is not a commandment. Jesus exposed the greed in this mans heart. This was a gut check. This also doesn't mean the man died in sin either. All of that believe are convicted by God about things in our lives He want us to deal with. Jesus even goes on to say that with God, even a man with such greed can be saved.




I'm not a high and mighty person. I admit my faults. I am no different than you. The only difference is I confess Jesus Christ a Lord.

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin? What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

You accuse me of going on a tangent and yet in all your rambling you do not address these core issues.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

No, we shouldn't sell all we have, yes, we should give money to the poor, do good works, and preach the Gospel, yes, I want to make Jesus proud, and yes, I want to do it regardless of whether there is a reward in heaven.

As I asked LostMarbels,

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin? What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

 

[Soyeong]

As I asked LostMarbels,

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin?

It has the potential to do both depending on what you do with it.

What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

Cease doing it.

 

[LostMarbels]

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin? What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

You accuse me of going on a tangent and yet in all your rambling you do not address these core issues.

Core issues? You don't even know what you are talking about.

You're an atheist... what do you know about my God? You sir are wrong and your argument is nothing.

You have been told many times, by many Christians your argument is in error. You are not a christian. You do not understand our God or his word. You have proven nothing to those of us that know better. You have failed.

 

[LostMarbels]

As I asked LostMarbels,

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin? What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

Thank you. This lets me know I am truly putting up a fight. When the unsaved have to resort to personal attacks I know they have no real answer, only the hope they can shut me down.

 

[LostMarbels]

Give me something to substantiate your claim. Constant beratement is not the same is defending one's own point.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Core issues? You don't even know what you are talking about.

You're an atheist... what do you know about my God? You sir are wrong and your argument is nothing.

You have been told many times, by many Christians your argument is in error. You are not a christian. You do not understand our God or his word. You have proven nothing to those of us that know better. You have failed.

Thank you. This lets me know I am truly putting up a fight. When the unsaved have to resort to personal attacks I know they have no real answer, only the hope they can shut me down.

You first tell me I'm wrong because I'm not Christian. By definition that is ad hominem. Then you say I'm committing personal attacks by asking how owning a TV glorifies God and asking if it causes you to sin. Baffling.

 

[LostMarbels]

You first tell me I'm wrong because I'm not Christian. By definition that is ad hominem. Then you say I'm committing personal attacks by asking how owning a TV glorifies God and asking if it causes you to sin. Baffling.

It's not baffling at all. You are wrong. Maybe hard to accept, but most definitely not baffling.

Owning a TV for a Christian is no more sin than throwing a pork chop at a Muslim. It is a silly premise realy. Quite sad.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you own a TV? Do you own other luxury items that are completely irrelevant to your survival and spiritual growth? Also, are you aware that children are starving to death, dropping dead by the minute?

If you answered yes to all of these, then are you not living in a perpetual state of deliberate sin, no different from homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, and etc?

Owning luxury items isn't the issue, letting them rule your life is the issue. The point Jesus was making is that everything you have is God's, that God allows you to use His abundance, for you to take some and use the rest to do good.
When you die, God will ask you about those thousands of children that died of hunger while you were alive. You might answer that they weren't YOUR children, you might answer that you did all you could (maybe true or not), you might answer that you didn't see them. God will reward you accordingly. To the first answer, he'll say "Yeah, but they were mine." and depending on His mercy might allow you into His mercy. If you did all you could, you will enter. If you tried, and succeeded some, you may not enter immediately. If you're a goat, you will not enter.
As for sin, sin is sin, and there is always opportunity to do good, and we all will fail at some of those opportunities. Personally I make every attempt to not judge others because of their sins, whether those you mention, or those you didn't mention. God is merciful and will give each person what he loves the most.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Owning luxury items isn't the issue, letting them rule your life is the issue. The point Jesus was making is that everything you have is God's, that God allows you to use His abundance, for you to take some and use the rest to do good.
When you die, God will ask you about those thousands of children that died of hunger while you were alive. You might answer that they weren't YOUR children, you might answer that you did all you could (maybe true or not), you might answer that you didn't see them. God will reward you accordingly. To the first answer, he'll say "Yeah, but they were mine." and depending on His mercy might allow you into His mercy. If you did all you could, you will enter. If you tried, and succeeded some, you may not enter immediately. If you're a goat, you will not enter.
As for sin, sin is sin, and there is always opportunity to do good, and we all will fail at some of those opportunities. Personally I make every attempt to not judge others because of their sins, whether those you mention, or those you didn't mention. God is merciful and will give each person what he loves the most.

You flatly denied doing something that you unequivocally did. I have a screen shot. I cannot have a rational discussion with such a person. I already told you that we're done. I didn't read what you wrote here, nor will I ever be inclined to read what you have to say in the future. It would be best for all of us on these forums if you were to cease dialog with me so as to not confuse other members.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You flatly denied doing something that you unequivocally did. I have a screen shot. I cannot have a rational discussion with such a person. I already told you that we're done. I didn't read what you wrote here, nor will I ever be inclined to read what you have to say in the future. It would be best for all of us on these forums if you were to cease dialog with me so as to not confuse other members.

I haven't tried to have a dialog with you, nor do I have anything against you or for you. I can tell you hate Christian views, though.

 

[redleghunter]

Vote!

Exegete!

 

[rjs330]

As I asked LostMarbels,

Does your TV help you glorify God? Does your TV cause you to sin? What should you do with something that causes you to sin?

Why did you change the subject? I thought the subject was should Christians sell all their stuff and give it away.

Here is are some questions
What was the rich,man's first question and what was Jesus first answer?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Why did you change the subject? I thought the subject was should Christians sell all their stuff and give it away.

Here is are some questions
What was the rich,man's first question and what was Jesus first answer?

You should either comment on the OP or else take the time to read up on the flow of the conversation that you're jumping into.

 

[rjs330]

If you're going to jump into a conversation, take the time to read what was said instead of lobbing accusations.

I did I just didn't read every single post. I didn't lob anything. I just asked a question. It seemed to you kind of moved off the,subject of the OP and I,wondered,why.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I did I just didn't read every single post. I didn't lob anything. I just asked a question. It seemed to you kind of moved off the,subject of the OP and I,wondered,why.

It was not off subject. He doesn't want to sell all of his stuff. Among the stuff he wants to keep is his TV. A Christian's TV does not glorify God, it generally does lead to sin, and it would help feed children if sold. I am adding more reasons as to why it would be in line with Christian ideals to sell one's TV, seeing as how the referenced dialogue involving Jesus is apparently not enough.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Guys... Just cut it out right now, because I'm feeling ornery and I know nobody wants any of this.

 

[rjs330]

It was not off subject. He doesn't want to sell all of his stuff. Among the stuff he wants to keep is his TV. A Christian's TV does not glorify God, it generally does lead to sin, and it would help feed children if sold. I am adding more reasons as to why it would be in line with Christian ideals to sell one's TV, seeing as how the referenced dialogue involving Jesus is apparently not enough.

Well you made a,lot of assumptions there. The bible says nothing about stuff having to glorify God. My shoes don't glorify God and neither does my radio in my car. So to assume he needs to get rid of his tv is not the issue. Does his tv generally lead him to sin? I didn't remember if he said it did. But you made the assumption that it does.

Again you are basing your thoughts on the rich man. Which is not appropriate since Jesus direction was to him not to everyone on the,planet. Maybe you really believe that is what he was saying. To,follow your logic here the only way to get saved is to sell all your stuff and give it to the poor. Nothing else is needed. But then you have to deal with John 3:16 where Jesus says nothing of the sort.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Would you give all that you own for $1 billion?

I think you would. I sure would.

How much more valuable are riches in heaven?

Apparently not that valuable. Either that, or you just don't think Jesus has this offer on the table for you.

But if that's the case, why is it in the Bible?

You haven't answered any of this and I don't think you will.

 

[Moral Orel]

As if the story of the rich man is the only time the Bible talks about helping the needy. Jesus didn't say it would be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than to get that man into Heaven, did He? He said "a rich man" as in all rich men.

Sodom was destroyed because they had the means and chose not to help the needy. See my signature for the verse.

What about the rich man that ignored Lazarus? He went to Hell because he didn't help the needy.

What about the lady who poured oil on Jesus' head? His disciples knew what to do with anything expensive and unnecessary, and only because the Son of God was about to die did Jesus say they had good enough reason to not sell that oil and give the money to the poor like they wanted to.

Where does the Bible (particularly the NT) give people license to put their own earthly comforts before the needs of others? I've heard of no such passage. What is a good reason to not help the poor? Is "I do enough" really good enough? And sure, no one is ever good "enough" but you're still supposed to try. That isn't reason to rationalize away any good deed you ought to be doing.

And no, giving to the needy isn't how you get to Heaven but the Bible is full of "oughts". And if you aren't doing what you know you ought to do, then you're doing something wrong. And having the means to help the needy, and claiming your own personal comfort is more important isn't exactly emulating Jesus is it? And if you aren't even trying to emulate Him, and you're rationalizing why your earthly comforts are more important than other people's needs then you must be doing something wrong.

If someone back then gave Jesus a million pieces of silver, would He say, "I deserve this. I'm a great guy. I honor God, so He must want me to have this."? Seems to me that excess money isn't ever a blessing from God, it's a test.