Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[FreeGrace2]

Eternal Security is not biblical.

Blasphemous baloney! Jesus clearly taught it in these verses, John 5:24 and 10:28.

But you're free to believe what satan wants you to believe.

BELIEVE is PRESENT TENSE.
That's all one needs to know.

So you've cut out or felt penned all the aorist tense "believe"'s in the Bible?

wow

 

[JLB777]

You should know this by now JLB. At least I have enough respect for you, that I read and understand what you believe. And I debate the things that you believe that I disagree with.

Answer:

That believer, will be given Grace because He is patient. But if that believer continues in reversionism and does not rebound there are multiple things that can happen. A life of reaping what they sow. A life of misery. Severe discipline. Loss of rewards,that are ETERNAL by the way, loss of blessings in time and eternity, loss of reign with Him,SHAME at His Bema seat and a host of other things that can happen to that believer.

But loss of salvation or never really being saved is not one of them. I don't see how anyone can look at that list above and think........I'm saved, now I am going to SIN ALL I WANT.... they better get ready for MISERY if they do.

Thankfully we can fast forward to that Day and know the truth.

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;​

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath
Romans 2:6-8

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath​

JLB

 

[JLB777]

Blasphemous baloney! Jesus clearly taught it in these verses, John 5:24 and 10:28.

But you're free to believe what satan wants you to believe.

Why don’t you post the scripture itself and the context?


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

Those who hear and obey Him, so that they follow Him will receive eternal life.


By posting the scripture we see what you want to hide.


Again the scripture and context -


“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:24-29


all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

• and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You can’t hide from the truth.




JLB

 

[Gr8Grace]

Thankfully we can fast forward to that Day and know the truth.

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;​

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath
Romans 2:6-8

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath​

JLB

Thanks once again for not addressing one thing that I addressed.

Rom 2:7 is for those who patiently seek HIS GOOD WORK. Seek for HIS Glory. Seek for HIS honor and seek for HIS immortality.

You are the one who is self seeking and does not obey the truth. Seeking YOUR glory. Seeking YOUR honor and trying to find YOUR own immortality in that.......You will find indignation and wrath if you have never placed your full trust in the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Why don’t you post the scripture itself and the context?


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

Whatever. Here is some context:
John 10:9~~New American Standard Bible
"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 6:47~~New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.


John 10~~ 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Eternal Security is not biblical.
It was invented by John Calvin in about 1,500 AD.

So YOU do not believe the bible... you believe John Calvin, as do all those who believe in OSAS which comes from...

Don't you remember? The tulip is withered and dead in my belief system. John Calvin came up with a subtle deception(works salvation hid in intellect and subtle wording) that hid the outright deception of his day. He believed the EXACT same thing that the early religionist's believed. He was just more subtle about it.

The Lord Jesus Christ, Paul, John, Jude and all scripture writers taught eternal security.....The early church messed it ALL up.

Preservation of the Saints as found in Calvinism
(which by the way, teaches salvation by works...look it up)

So I guess you don't remember our conversation from just a few short days ago. Calvin didnt teach 'preservation' of the saints. He taught perseverance of the saints. Which is a more subtle approach of working for salvation than yours. You and calvin line up in more ways than you think.

As to the periphrastic perfect tense...
You're funny.
I don't know what it is,
I don't care to know what it is.

LOL>You can't care to know what it is because .............you would have to concede.

 

[BNR32FAN]

the Calvinist version of Eternal Security isn't the same as OSAS...

Calvinist version is like..."if you fall away at the last moment of your life you were never truly saved for all those years of your life...you are eternal secure if you are obedient your whole life" but with that method you can never know you're eternal secure until you're dead.

Actually you only need to be a believer at the time of death to be written into the book of life. Unless your still alive now then you must be a believer at the time of death or at Jesus’ second coming. What happened before you became a believer is irrelevant. If someone falls away before death God would have foreseen that and that person wouldn’t be written in the book of life. The book of life won’t be edited. Your either written in the book of life before creation or you burn in the lake of fire. So there is some truth to John Calvin’s teachings but he did make many mistakes tho.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Whatever. Here is some context:
John 10:9~~New American Standard Bible
"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 6:47~~New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.


John 10~~ 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

I see you posted John 6:47. What about verse 45?

“As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thanks once again for not addressing one thing that I addressed.

Rom 2:7 is for those who patiently seek HIS GOOD WORK. Seek for HIS Glory. Seek for HIS honor and seek for HIS immortality.

You are the one who is self seeking and does not obey the truth. Seeking YOUR glory. Seeking YOUR honor and trying to find YOUR own immortality in that.......You will find indignation and wrath if you have never placed your full trust in the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why do you think everyone does good works for their own glory instead of for God’s glory?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Don't you remember? The tulip is withered and dead in my belief system. John Calvin came up with a subtle deception(works salvation hid in intellect and subtle wording) that hid the outright deception of his day. He believed the EXACT same thing that the early religionist's believed. He was just more subtle about it.

The Lord Jesus Christ, Paul, John, Jude and all scripture writers taught eternal security.....The early church messed it ALL up.


So I guess you don't remember our conversation from just a few short days ago. Calvin didnt teach 'preservation' of the saints. He taught perseverance of the saints. Which is a more subtle approach of working for salvation than yours. You and calvin line up in more ways than you think.



LOL>You can't care to know what it is because .............you would have to concede.

Then why will the branches be cut off and thrown away and burned if they don’t produce fruit?

 

[Gr8Grace]

I see you posted John 6:47. What about verse 45?

“As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬

Use some logic. I will do what you did.

I see you posted John 6:45. What about John 6:47?<<You won't deal with this verse.

And I will even help you out with the verse you posted. Something we will never get from those who fight tooth and nail to send us to HELL.
John 6:40~~New American Standard Bible
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 12:32~~New American Standard Bible
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

 

[Gr8Grace]

Why do you think everyone does good works for their own glory instead of for God’s glory?

I don't think everyone does.Tthe majority does. Their doctrines reveal it.........yours for example.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't think everyone does.Tthe majority does. Their doctrines reveal it.........yours for example.

Do you think your possibly making wild accusations in order to discredit people who don’t agree with you? Possibly because your frustrated?

 

[Gr8Grace]

Then why will the branches be cut off and thrown away and burned if they don’t produce fruit?

Because they are not producing fruit. A believer who quenches the Spirit or grieves the Spirit and does not walk in the Spirit while filled with the Spirit is LIKE a branch thrown into the fire......

1 Cor 3:15~~New American Standard Bible
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[JLB777]

Rom 2:7 is for those who patiently seek HIS GOOD WORK. Seek for HIS Glory. Seek for HIS honor and seek for HIS immortality.

The scripture does not say they “seek” his good work.

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Romans 2:7


Patiently continue to do good.


Not “seek” to do good.


Only these will receive eternal life.


This is what Jesus did.
This is what His disciples did and taught.


Hopefully you also will begin to walk in this life of the Spirit.

The life of loving God and loving your neighbor.


JLB

 

[BNR32FAN]

Use some logic. I will do what you did.

I see you posted John 6:45. What about John 6:47?<<You won't deal with this verse.

And I will even help you out with the verse you posted. Something we will never get from those who fight tooth and nail to send us to HELL.
John 6:40~~New American Standard Bible
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 12:32~~New American Standard Bible
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

“As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬

Does Jesus teach us that we must only believe to be saved? No Jesus teaches us we must believe, be born again and produce fruit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because they are not producing fruit. A believer who quenches the Spirit or grieves the Spirit and does not walk in the Spirit while filled with the Spirit is LIKE a branch thrown into the fire......

1 Cor 3:15~~New American Standard Bible
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Who was not producing fruit? Who was Jesus talking to?

 

[Gr8Grace]

Do you think your possibly making wild accusations in order to discredit people who don’t agree with you? Possibly because your frustrated?

No. Take wondering or Fran for example. She won't address the periphrastic perfect in Eph 2:8;4 because it totally destroys her theology. You are the same. You can't address this truth and refute it......because it destroys the false teachings you proclaim here.

I leave it COMPLETELY open for someone to refute the periphrastic PERFECT in Eph 2:8;4........It won't happen.
BNR32FAN.....you can try all you want to convince me that I will perish. His Word tells me that I will never, no not ever perish. John 10:28

 

[Gr8Grace]

Does Jesus teach us that we must only believe to be saved? No Jesus teaches us we must believe, be born again and produce fruit.

And this is why you have stricken John 6:40 and John 6:47 and many other verses from the bible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And this is why you have stricken John 6:40 and 6:47 and many other verses from the bible.

I have never said that someone doesn’t need to believe my friend. I’m just saying believing is not the only requirement.