Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[JLB777]

Count me as one. I am a baby in bible doctrine,

That’s for sure.

 

[JLB777]

Count me as one. I am a baby in bible doctrine, and your a treasure trove of doctrine.

Honestly, can't wait to shake your hand and give you a Bro hug in the eternal state......That's if I make it!

Hopefully you will mature and see you are receiving false doctrine from a false teacher who is poisoning you with Heresy.

Which you turn around and promote.


Please repent.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Really? If you deny Christ, what does scripture say Christ does?

He denies you.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Knowing how much you reject Scripture that disagrees and refutes your opinions, I'm going to explain that verse, for the benefit of this thread, since I know you'll reject it.

As always, the key is the concept of "abiding". Moreover, the concept of John's 'abiding' is always that it is a reciprocal relationship, even as Jesus said, "Abide in Me, as I abide in you" in John 15:4.

Since Christ Himself IS eternal life (1 John 5:20), to say that someone does not have eternal life abiding in him is equivalent to saying that he does not have Christ abiding in him.

I know how you'll twist this into a perverted idea of losing salvation, but that is impossible because Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never, no, not ever, perish.

But you have been very clear that you believe that recipients of eternal life CAN perish.

Your argument is strictly with Jesus.

Those who do not abide, remain in Christ as well as His teaching no longer has Christ.

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6

Once a person is in Christ, they have access to the eternal life which is in Him.

If they are removed from Him, they are no longer joined to the eternal life which is in Him.



Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Those who continue in the teachings of Christ, have God, those who no longer remain in the teaching of Christ to observe them correctly and teach them no longer have God.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Still waiting for anyone who promotes
OSAS to answer this question from the scriptures.


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?


JLB

 

[Gr8Grace]

Hopefully you will mature and see you are receiving false doctrine from a false teacher who is poisoning you with Heresy.

Which you turn around and promote.


Please repent.


JLB

Freegrace has glorified the Lord Jesus Christ. You glorify JLB.

I will stick with the Truth.

He's a brother from another mother!

 

[Gr8Grace]

Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?

I don't even understand how you think you can ask this!?

In your theology we are not born again and do not become sheep until we have worked ourselves to death.

Everybody has to answer, " I don't know" based on your theology.

 

[Gr8Grace]

That’s for sure.

Man, in the past year or so you have become so bitter. I think it's a good sign though.....rock bottom is where a lot of people get on their knees.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your question is a good one - they cannot answer it probably, and if they do, maybe they still do not understand why ........ it is difficult to tell about them.... (a mystery in darkness)

QUOTE="JLB777, post: 73050994, member: 310077"]Still waiting for anyone who promotes
OSAS to answer this question from the scriptures.
What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7
Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?
JLB[/QUOTE

 

[GodsGrace101]

John 20:20-23
The (11) disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord.
21 So Jesus said to them again,
“Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them,
“Receive (God) the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them;
if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

When the apostles died, their temporary sign gift of forgiveness of sins died.

I'm not sure why you brought this up, but my question is:
Did all the other gifts also die?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Freegrace has glorified the Lord Jesus Christ. You glorify JLB.

I will stick with the Truth.

He's a brother from another mother!

You can't take the truth.

The truth scares you and those of your belief and I don't really know why.

It's wrong to declare that a person cannot lose their salvation no matter what they do or how they live.

It's plain from scripture that if we have THE LIFE GIVER, Jesus, then we HAVE LIFE.

If we DO NOT have the LIFE GIVER,
we DO NOT HAVE LIFE.

How can we have life if the life-giver is not dwelling with us?

1 Corinthians 15:45
45So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

No Jesus, No Life.

John 10:28 JESUS SAID:
28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.


Jesus gives eternal life to HIS SHEEP. God is omnipotent and will allow nothing to take a believer from Him (except the believer himself). IF WE ARE NOT HIS SHEEP,,,we will NOT have ETERNAL LIFE.

And how do we not keep being His sheep?
How do we abandon Jesus, the LIFE GIVER?
By FALLING AWAY:

1 Timothy 4:1
Hebrews 3:12
Mathew 24:10-13

 

[GodsGrace101]

Gods seal can be rescinded?

John 6:27~~New American Standard Bible
"Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."

I find it very disconcerting that a Christian believes that the Father will perhaps rescind the Son's seal.

Don't be so disconcerted!

On whom did the Father place the seal?
He placed the seal on Jesus, not on any man.

Jesus is God,,,do you suppose He would unseal the authority given to Him by Father?

The authority placed on man, this seal, is dependent on the HOLY SPIRIT...if the person abandons the Holy Spirit, does that person still have the seal?

Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Count me as one. I am a baby in bible doctrine, and your a treasure trove of doctrine.

Honestly, can't wait to shake your hand and give you a Bro hug in the eternal state......That's if I make it!

Cute!
LOL

The treasure trove of doctrine is limited to one verse and one doctrine.

You should look elsewhere for the treasure trove.
The N.T. would be a good start...

 

[JLB777]

Freegrace has glorified the Lord Jesus Christ. You glorify JLB.

I will stick with the Truth.

He's a brother from another mother!

A Sheep who wanders away and becomes lost is still loved by God but must repent because they are a sinner and seperated from God, unjustified:

They are lost.


They will perish in the everlasting fires of hell if they don’t repent.


Lost - Seperated from God.

Found - Reconciled to God.


He perverts even the most elementary truth, twisting it to his own destruction.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Why would John teach this if it were not true?



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Your question is a good one - they cannot answer it probably, and if they do, maybe they still do not understand why ........ it is difficult to tell about them.... (a mystery in darkness)

QUOTE="JLB777, post: 73050994, member: 310077"]Still waiting for anyone who promotes
OSAS to answer this question from the scriptures.
What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7
Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?
JLB[/QUOTE

Those who believe for a while, then no longer believe, trust and obey His voice become lost.


A sheep who wanders away and becomes lost, is a sinner, separated from God, in need of repentance.


If they don't repent, they will remain lost.


It's very simple and can not be refuted.


A lost sheep is no longer saved, no longer justified, no longer reconciled to the Lord.



JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

This is what I said:
"WHEN one believes, they are PERMANENTLY sealed with the Spirit, as God's own possession (Eph 1:14), and ARE GIVEN eternal life (John 5:24, 6:47, 1 John 5:13), and therefore SHALL NEVER PERISH."

Really?

Yeah, really. If you have a problem, tell it to Jesus.

If you deny Christ, what does scripture say Christ does?

Paul was clear on this; you will be denied reigning with Christ.

You think someone can lose their salvation based on something that is very offensive to consider. But you just don't know grace.

But God IS grace. And His Word is permanent, and not swayed by emotions of sinful people.

When Jesus said recipients of eternal life, given WHEN one believes, shall never perish, He didn't include any exceptions.

So no one has any right to add any exceptions to John 10:28. There aren't any.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Not around this thread. I am sure someone will attempt to change the meaning of those verses to match the theology they seem to love more than they love Christ.

How about this: if someone does try to change the meaning of any verse to match their own theology, go ahead and point it out.

Call them on it.

That's what I do all the time.

 

[JLB777]

"WHEN one believes, they are PERMANENTLY sealed with the Spirit, as God's own possession

The condition for receiving the Holy Spirit is to believe.


Those who believe for a while, then return to unbelieving no longer meet the required condition of believing.


But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13




JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"The truth is the Word of God. Some of which you simply don't believe, based on your posts.

What Jesus said in John 10:28 was as clear as could be. There is nothing difficult in that verse. Jesus was speaking about the CAUSE and EFFECT of possessing eternal life.

The CAUSE of having (possessing eternal life) is Jesus Himself, proven by "I give them eternal life".

The EFFECT of having (possessing eternal life) is never perishing, proven by "and they shall never, no, not ever, perish".

If you disagree, please prove your disagreement. But what He said was very clear."

I DO believe I have.

I do believe you haven't.

btw, lodging a disagreement isn't an explanation of anything. You have clearly communicated that your view is QUITE DIFFERENT than what Jesus plainly said.

You just don't accept it.

Of course I don't. Your disagreement cannot be supported from Scripture.

And I've used many verses...[/QUTOE]
Of course you have. As have many others.

But, so what? NONE of your list, nor anyone else's, says anything close to what you and they claim about losing salvation.

You otoh.....

Yes, I, otoh, HAVE provided very clearly worded verses about the permanence of our salvation. But, you just don't accept it.

 

[JLB777]

I don't even understand how you think you can ask this!?

In your theology we are not born again and do not become sheep until we have worked ourselves to death.

Everybody has to answer, " I don't know" based on your theology.

Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?



JLB