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In theory but not practice. I understand the Christian belief that we all need Jesus Christ for salvation, but without believing in God and the words of the Bible, it's a textbook understanding of something that may not be true.

Your conscience will tell you that you have sinned. That you have done things which are morally wrong according to Gods law, things like lying, stealing, adultery and so on. Since you don't know the day of your death what you are facing is entering into eternity without your sins being forgiven. If that happens then you will have to pay for your own sins and the payment for your sins is eternity in hell.

So, these facts should make your need for a Savior clear. Do you think your eternal soul is something you should gamble with? There is only one man who died for your sins so that you can be forgiven, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only guarantee we have of being forgiven for our sins and to be saved and adopted as Gods own children. He rose from the dead after being crucified and is alive today. That is why you can pray to Him and ask Him to save you and forgive you, because He is seated at the right hand of God.

The reason God sent Christ is so that we could be saved and be delivered from Gods wrath against sin on judgment day. Please prayerfully consider this and understand your need for salvation.
 
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I understand this in theory, but in practicality, I don't and have no reason to believe in what the Bible says about Jesus, let alone believe in heaven and hell. My conscience doesn't tell me I've sinned, so much as it does tell me which of my actions and thoughts are against the morals I've learned and been taught, but not necessarily those sins as are identified in scripture.
 
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You cannot believe through your own strength, and that's what you are trying to do. I think if you stop fighting it so much, you will find that you do indeed believe. Faith isn't necessarily the heavens opening up. Sometimes it's a very quiet thing. And even for mature Christians, our experience of our own faith is full of ambiguity, if we are honest.

I would recommend finding a good Lutheran pastor and talking to him about your concerns, just because I believe he or she may be able to help you. You're looking for some kind of internal experience when what you should be looking for is something external to yourself.
 
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Belief is exactly what it is, a mechanism for dealing with gap's in our understanding. I stand on the reasoning that I can't know if God exists, because it will ruin the suprise.
 
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I received the Holy Spirit before getting baptised
 
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Well, you say no reason but the scripture says God has made it evident to you. The scripture also teaches that God has given you a conscience to know right from wrong. Jesus taught us that if we hate anyone we have committed murder in our hearts and if we lust after someone we are committing adultery in our hearts. We've all broken Gods laws.

What would we see if all of your thoughts and imaginations were recorded and put up on a screen for the public to look at? You need to understand that God sees all of it. He has seen you break his laws and He wants you to turn from those things and surrender to His Son Jesus.

God has and will show you these things, if you are willing to believe Him. If you refuse to trust God and reject His Son then you are heading for a judgment. We all have two choices when it comes to Gods judgment. We can choose to let Jesus pay for our sins, or we can choose to pay for them ourselves. If you reject Jesus, you are rejecting your own mercy and that is why I am telling you this. Please prayerfully consider what I am saying. Pray and ask the Lord Jesus if what I am saying is true because it is true and I feel an urgency from the Lord to tell you this.
 
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What is it about my situation that you find improbable?
It is improbable, given God's revelation of Himself in His creation and ongoing work in the world, that you have sought and found--apparently...nothing?

Let's look at some of your statements and then compare them with God's Word.

"I've been earnestly seeking God for the last four years, and don't know where to turn at this point..."

"I have never found a reason to believe..."

"I can't see a reason why a God that wants me to believe in Him won't give me the ability to believe."

"And when I open up to Christians that I know about this, they get afraid because I've done everything right in their eyes, I've taken all the steps, and they've never seen it "take this long."

"I want to find God, so badly, but I can't."

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Romans 1:19-20).

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me (Revelation 3:20).


And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart (Jeremiah 29:13).

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world (John 1:9).







 
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Edit: I wasnt aware only Christians could respond here, please feel free to delete my post.


Hi AACJ, I'm afraid the bible is wrong on those points. A lot of us see beauty in the world, maybe even traces of the numinous, but have no reason to believe any of it is sourced from a God, nor that a God exists at all.

OP, advice from someone who's been where you are - relax. Live your life honestly and be true to the way you feel, you will lead yourself to the right place for you. That may be Christianity, that may be something personal. Either way you cant force yourself to believe that which you find personally unbelievable.
 
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I still can't call myself a Christian
Stop trying so hard. According to Calvinism, God calls those he chooses. If you are not called, God has not chosen you. How can anyone resist God's will?
 
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Hi Elle12,

From all the responses you’ve received it can be overwhelming to be sure. As one human being to another we can sympathize with your journey and feel the pain of your struggle. I was just thinking of the man lying at the pool of Bethesda who had been there for thirty eight years. The bible says that Jesus knew that he had been a long time in that shape. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jesus had seen him there when he went up with Joseph and Mary as a child and ended up in the temple hearing and answering questions from the “doctors” of his day. Surely you can imagine how heart broken that guy felt. Every one of us in on a journey and I doubt any one person’s journey is the same. Fortunately for that man Jesus, who had come to seek and to save that which is lost dealt with his situation. Another scripture comes to mind of the time when the Pharisees were getting fed up with Jesus and sent their officer to get him and the guy comes back without Jesus and they ask him “how come?” The guy says: “ never yet spake man as this man.” Scriptures like that resonate. When I hear Jesus’ reply to the guys that tried to trick him into speaking out for or against unpopular taxes and He says “render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasars’ and to God the things that are God’s” I’m hearing a voice coming from a different level. Your journey is unique, I just hope and pray for a happy ending. God bless.
 
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You say, "People tell me that I should just call myself Christian and get baptized, but I can't honestly say that I believe in God and that Jesus died for my sins."

The first step in becoming a Christian is to accept Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Savior, to admit you are a sinner, and that you believe Christ died for your sins. You admit you need Him in your life.

How do you expect to feel any presence of God if you have not yet accepted His Son into your heart?

You can do all the "right" things: go to church, read the bible daily, listen to Christian music, etc. but in the end this means nothing to God if you have not been saved.

The answer to your issue is simple, either believe or don't. Get down on your knees, ask and beg God to come into your heart, to give you faith and to fill you with the Holy Spirit so you may believe. How can God recognize you as His own if you do not submit to Him and receive Him?

We are not all children of God. It's very simply put in John 3:16 as I'm sure you're aware: "...He gave His one and only Son that for whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life." Only those who believe in Christ as his/her Savior are children of God. Do you want eternal life? Do you want to believe Christ is your Savior?

You say you have studied scientifically, historically, etc. for proof of His existence. What did you find? Did you know that if we were any closer to the sun, we'd burn? If we were any further, we'd freeze. One would think there would have to be a great designer out there. Did you know the creation of earth is described right there in Genesis chapter one--only it is explained differently than how a science book would explain it. Nonetheless, they both state the same phenomenon.

You said you have done all these things that Christians do, but you cannot find it within that you feel like a Christian. That is because you are not a Christian until you accept Christ into your heart.
"If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved. For it is by our faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved." Romans 10:9-10.

You can do all things Christian but until you fully accept Him into your heart, you will always be a wolf in sheep's clothing. You say you feel nothing, well, why not give this a try: ask Him to come into your life, into your heart, to fill you with the Holy Spirit. Tell Him you want to believe His Son is the Savior and you admit that you are a sinner.

I know your issue is that you want to believe but you can't. Is it that you can't, or you plainly won't allow yourself to? Through Christ all things are possible.

In your post, not once did I see that you pray. How can you believe in a God you don't pray to? How can a God know you and let you feel Him if He does not know you? You walk pass His door hoping for Him to notice you, yet why don't you just knock? How can one even attempt to believe in a God if they do not at least pray?

Prayer is the way to the Lord, accepting Christ is the way to heaven and eternal life. Do not be afraid to pray. You don't have to consider yourself a Christian to pray. You can just test the waters and see where praying leads you. Forget church, forget the music, and the study groups. Focus on God and God alone. You don't need those things to feel His presence. They're only there to remind you. But you are not a Christian so you cannot be reminded of something you have not.

Pray, and pray through Christ.

"Dear Lord, I want you in my life. I'm not sure how to go about this. All I know is I feel like I want to believe in You. Please help me to do so. Guide me so I may know how. Fill me with the Holy Spirit so I may learn about you and one day be saved by your Son. In Jesus' name I pray, amen."

This prayer or something similar may help you get started. I have studied, not just "read" the bible for many years. I do not go to church, I am not religious, but spiritual. Christ is my Savior and my God is the almighty. I have faith he exists but I also have evidence as well. I am happy to help if you have any questions. Good luck.
 
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I think non-Christians can post here.
 
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Humanist? As in secular humanist?
 
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This is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm struggling to believe myself. I know so, so much truth and facts in my head but can't believe in my heart. I know I'm without the Holy Spirit. I know there's nothing i can do. I'm losing hope. I have two posts on this forum- both pretty recent. They give a lot of detail of my struggles.
 
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How much of God’s Story of Redemption and Restoration have you explored?
 
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Hi, I was in the same position as you a no. of years ago. I too really wanted to believe, but felt nothing. I attended church services, & several times went to the front of the church to 'give myself to Christ', however all that happened was that I became extremely depressed. I attended bible classes, yet nothing I was taught in bible class really made any sense to me at all. I always left with more questions than answers.

It was as though a battle was raging in my mind. On the one hand, I wanted to fit in with the Christian friends that I had, & really wanted to believe & have faith like they did. But on the other hand, my logical brain simply could NOT believe all of the religious dogma I was being taught.

I started doing lots & lots of research outside the church, because I realised that the Christian church had no answers. I started reading books, watching you tube video's, & listening to debates. I listened to all sides of the argument, from true believers to atheists, & those in between.

Surprisingly, some of the answers to some of the questions & doubts that I was having came from youtube video's & lectures by Jews for Judaism. Jews for Judaism of course believe in much of the 'Old Testament', however they dont believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

After listening to their arguments, as well as those of Rabbi Tovia Singer, I realised that it is not possible for Jesus to have been the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament.

I also realised that the so called prophesies in the Old Testament that are supposed to prophesy Jesus as the Messiah, just dont stack up. They didnt convince me that the Old Testament, or that Judaism as a religion is true, but they did convince me that the Christian religion is based on many false premises.

Since then I have done a lot more research into Christianity, Judaism & Islam, & I no longer feel depressed about not being able to believe. I am now happily Agnostic, & am happy that I have freed myself from the fear & guilt of religion.

Like me, it sounds like you are trying to try too hard to believe in a religion that makes no logical sense, & your logical self is telling you it just isnt true. Maybe you should listen!
 
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How much of God’s Story of Redemption and Restoration have you explored?

That's a good question. I don't know how much I've "explored" it. I know it. So because i know it, when i read it or hear it, i think my heart is hardened or I'm not impressed with it. It's like I'm looking for something new to blow me away. I think i just need to have my eyes opened. Or i need to open my heart but i don't know if i can do that.
 
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All I can share is the Cross and Empty Tomb blew me away. Still does every day.
 
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