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Seeing fossils without the Evolution goggles

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Suckers for punishment. Will you stop making it up as you go along. SUBDUCTION says:
Sorry, complex life existed before the Cambrian. And besides a lot of rhetoric and noise you still have not posted any holes.
To be fair, yes, Geology, 50, repeat, 50, years ago acknowledged complex (=animal grade) life in the Pre-Cambrian. On the basis of fossilized sea floor tracks. By 20 years ago, Geology had discovered the likely cause of the tracks - and had not discovered one true animal fossil in the Pre-Cambrian. You say otherwise? Name it, present photographs, and don't fool about with anything that does not have indisputable internal bilateral symmetry. From indisputably Pre-Cambrian strata. This strata is not to include your lunch.
Sciencedaily, one of a number of similar accounts (referenced at Creationtheory dot com) which leave no complex, or animal grade life in the Pre-Cambrian:
Rolling 'Sea Grape' Rocks The Fossil Record
Date:December 4, 2008
Source:Duke University
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A submarine expedition that went looking for visually flashy sea creatures instead found a drab, mud-covered blob that may turn out to be truly spectacular indeed.
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A submarine expedition that went looking for visually flashy sea creatures instead found a drab, mud-covered blob that may turn out to be truly spectacular indeed.

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The grape-like animal, tentatively named the Bahamian Gromia, is actually a single-celled organism, fully one inch long. But what makes it really fantastic is that it moves -- very slowly -- by rolling itself along the ocean floor.

"At first, we assumed they were snails, because they had trails," said Sönke Johnsen, an associate professor of biology at Duke University. But after sucking up a few with the tools aboard the NOAA research submarine Johnson-Sea-Link and having a look, they figured the soft, nondescript blobs were simply some kind of elaborate poop. "We called them doo-doo balls," Johnsen said.

"We watched the video over and over," Johnsen said. The trails couldn't be the result of currents because they went in several directions at the same spot, and sometimes they even changed course. And they weren't the result of rolling downhill. In fact, one trail was found that went down into a small depression and came back up the other side.

"We argued about it forever," Johnsen said. "These things can't possibly be moving!" But they are, at a rate too slow to be captured on the sub's video. Johnsen guesses they move maybe an inch a day or less.

The distinctive trail that the Gromias leave is identical to mud tracks found in the fossil record, which throws a big wrench into one long-standing argument in biology. The fossil tracks pre-date the so-called "Cambrian explosion" 530 million years ago, which was a blossoming of multicellular life and complex body plans from what had previously just been simple, blobby life forms. Many paleontologists and evolutionary biologists have argued that such a trail couldn't possibly have been made by a simple organism, meaning complex body plans were around before the Cambrian explosion. But the Gromia show that simple blobs can indeed move and make tracks in the light, silty bottom.

We're confident that drawing attention to these bizarre mega-protists will provide a powerful new spin to the debate," said biologist Mikhail Matz of the University of Texas at Austin, who is first author on the paper in Current Biology. Matz worked out the genetics of the new creature and found it's a giant amoeba closely related to similar blobs found in the Gulf of Oman, near Antarctica, off Guam, and in the Mediterranean. None of them are known to move.

The surface of the cell is covered with tiny ports. Its interior is just a fluid; the important working parts of the cell are all near the surface. Think of the working cell as a very thick balloon, Johnsen said.

These sea grapes are almost neutrally buoyant, so they barely rest on the ocean floor 800 meters down. It's possible, Johnsen said, that they're sort of eating and rolling at the same time, pulling new sediment in on one side, and pushing "pseudo feces" out on the other, leaving the distinctive trail. END SCIENCEDAILY EXTRACT.

Subduction again. We can also see that you do not understand how absolute dating is done. Here is a hint, it is usually done with igneous rocks.

You absolutely date your lunch by counting the number of greeblies slithering about in it. Pre-Cambrian bacteria in a huddle. With portholes but probably not a smokestack. In terms of diet, obviously not good for brain stimulation.
Here is something else which, like dating your lunch, has been discovered less than 50 years ago.. You will presumably therefore know zip about it. :Direct isotopic dating for sedimentary rocks is possible. One of these is glauconite, a silicate minerals that contains potassium. Since the K in part contain K 40, the K-A method can be used. Potassium Argon Dating: This depends on the decay of the naturally occurring radioactive Potassium (K 40) isotope to Argon (A 40) and Calcium (Ca 40).

THE FURIOUS BAGSNATCHER, having discovered the word, 'magic', an adequate and timely inspiration, fitting the occasion ........ . Either try reading, will ya's, (my site they can not discover) or desist with the lunar assertions?
To paraphrase Mikhail Matz from your quote, "We're confident that drawing attention to these bizarre mega-posts protists will provide nothing a powerful new spin to the debate..."
 
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The Cambrian explosion is a huge increase in diversity of animals with hard parts analogous to bones or shells.

A slug is equally complex, developed and behaviorally similar to a snail, but a snail is massive more likely to leave a fossil.

Now I'll quote someone else. ".... no science was involved in the Creation Events."

It's looking like it, given the comments here!

SUBDUCTION tried to pull a swifty by misquoting the geologic record. And other items to boot. You are being lied to. By pulling off the deception, he plans to prove the bible a fraud. Which would concern anyone who has actually experienced what the bible is talking about, as much as if a grasshopper kicked a flea. It's to do with geology, fella, so you keep grooving on that groovy (?)music(?)
Ahh., and, no. Amoeba are not slugs. Keep on grooving!
 
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The Cambrian explosion is a huge increase in diversity of animals with hard parts analogous to bones or shells.

A slug is equally complex, developed and behaviorally similar to a snail, but a snail is massive more likely to leave a fossil.

Now I'll quote someone else. ".... no science was involved in the Creation Events."

It's looking like it, given the comments here!

SUBDUCTION tried to pull a swifty by misquoting the geologic record. And other items to boot. You are being lied to. By pulling off the deception, he plans to prove the bible a fraud. Which would concern anyone who has actually experienced what the bible is talking about, as much as if a grasshopper kicked a flea. It's to do with geology, fella, so you keep grooving on that groovy (?)music(?)
Ahh., and, no. Amoeba are not slugs. Keep on grooving!
You aren't making sense.

Point one, learn to us the quote function, it's just polite.

Point two, you don't address responses clearly or state your beliefs succinctly. It makes it very difficult to have a discussion.

Point three, arrogance and ignorance together make for a very unflattering image.
 
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No one is "making it up as we go along".

You aren't making it up that living, breathing animals in stupifying abundance, every phylum, thereof, (in embryonic form in some cases) appeared without precedent and without pre-existing pattern, somewhere close above the base of the Cambrian. Not to be confused with desultory but amazingly well organized simple or plant grade organisms of the upper Pre-Cambrian. Those Pre-Cambrian fossils being highly developed versions of 'organized seaweed' and probably clustered protists (single celled) with some specialization of the cells. Here is what happened to end the reign of the protists -- and don't make it up as you go along by claiming that sea weed makes sharks:
"Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good".

Yes we know the complex life was revealed over time as Genesis effectively states.

Don't make stuff up as you go along. Don't twist the geologic record. Get rational. The super-organized single celled organisms of the Pre-Cambrian may have been part of the mechanism/plan. You'll never discover their part by attributing them and the sun moon and stars (environment) with creative intelligence.
 
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No one is "making it up as we go along".

You aren't making it up that living, breathing animals in stupifying abundance, every phylum, thereof, (in embryonic form in some cases) appeared without precedent and without pre-existing pattern, somewhere close above the base of the Cambrian. Not to be confused with desultory but amazingly well organized simple or plant grade organisms of the upper Pre-Cambrian. Those Pre-Cambrian fossils being highly developed versions of 'organized seaweed' and probably clustered protists (single celled) with some specialization of the cells. Here is what happened to end the reign of the protists -- and don't make it up as you go along by claiming that sea weed makes sharks:
"Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good".

Yes we know the complex life was revealed over time as Genesis effectively states.

Don't make stuff up as you go along. Don't twist the geologic record. Get rational. The super-organized single celled organisms of the Pre-Cambrian may have been part of the mechanism/plan. You'll never discover their part by attributing them and the sun moon and stars (environment) with creative intelligence.
If you want to critique the theory of evolution, write an article for peer-review.

If you cant, well, then your "view" doesnt matter.
 
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No one is "making it up as we go along".

You aren't making it up that living, breathing animals in stupifying abundance, every phylum, thereof, (in embryonic form in some cases) appeared without precedent and without pre-existing pattern, somewhere close above the base of the Cambrian. Not to be confused with desultory but amazingly well organized simple or plant grade organisms of the upper Pre-Cambrian. Those Pre-Cambrian fossils being highly developed versions of 'organized seaweed' and probably clustered protists (single celled) with some specialization of the cells. Here is what happened to end the reign of the protists -- and don't make it up as you go along by claiming that sea weed makes sharks:
"Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good".

Yes we know the complex life was revealed over time as Genesis effectively states.

Don't make stuff up as you go along. Don't twist the geologic record. Get rational. The super-organized single celled organisms of the Pre-Cambrian may have been part of the mechanism/plan. You'll never discover their part by attributing them and the sun moon and stars (environment) with creative intelligence.
So you either did not read or else did not understand the links that I provided. Nor do you understand the Cambrian explosion. Which do you want to discuss first?
 
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No one is "making it up as we go along".

You aren't making it up that living, breathing animals in stupifying abundance, every phylum, thereof, (in embryonic form in some cases) appeared without precedent and without pre-existing pattern, somewhere close above the base of the Cambrian. Not to be confused with desultory but amazingly well organized simple or plant grade organisms of the upper Pre-Cambrian. Those Pre-Cambrian fossils being highly developed versions of 'organized seaweed' and probably clustered protists (single celled) with some specialization of the cells. Here is what happened to end the reign of the protists -- and don't make it up as you go along by claiming that sea weed makes sharks:
"Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good".

Yes we know the complex life was revealed over time as Genesis effectively states.

Don't make stuff up as you go along. Don't twist the geologic record. Get rational. The super-organized single celled organisms of the Pre-Cambrian may have been part of the mechanism/plan. You'll never discover their part by attributing them and the sun moon and stars (environment) with creative intelligence.
I'll try to give you a specific question to see if you are capable of communication.

Do you believe that the Cambrian explosion actually represents the creation of life?

Do you think the life then diversified into the life that came later on the Earth?
 
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