SDA

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually if you attend one of their baptisms (or are baptized by them) you will see them get asked a set of questions based on a summary of their beliefs, and the last one that you must agree to is, "I believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, into which people of every nation, race, class, and language are invited and accepted, and I desire membership in its fellowship."

They will also reveal later in their prophecy/evangelizing seminars that they are the remnant church described in Revelation. It's one of the big things they build towards in the preceding sessions.

That doesn't mean that Messianics, 7th day Baptists, etc. wouldn't be included because people from all denominations are to be called out of them to the SDA church once they have to make the final choice between Sunday (mark of the beast) and Saturday (seal of God) worship when the "Sunday law" takes effect.

They have a few threads on their board about that for those interested:

Traditional Adventists
A place for Seventh-day Adventist who accept the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Official Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental Beliefs

Why the Seventh-day Adventist church is the Remnant Church in the Bible

The Bible does not limit salvation to the term "remnant" rather the term refers to that portion of the saints during any given age that are promoting the message of God for that age.

For example Noah's message or John the baptist or Paul or, Wycliffe or Luther or Miller, or ... each of them in their day were promoting that message for their day but they were not the only people on the planet that were saved during their day.

The Seventh-day Adventist church is the only church today proclaiming the message of Rev 14 and Daniel 7 -- and is at the same time distinguished even among those outside of it - as a church that is closely linked to the "gift of prophecy" as Rev 12 states in the term "testimony of Jesus" defined in Rev 19 as "the gift of prophecy".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Saint Steven]

No, that is Mormans that say that exact quote. SDA believes in keeping the 7th day Sabbath, but there are other denominations that do the same, they are not the "only" denomination to keep the Sabbath. Messianics, 7th day Baptist, etc.



I stand against Judaizing, just as Paul did. In other words, their condemning of those who keep all days alike. But I do not condemn them for keeping the letter of the old law, as their heart is for God, not against Him.

I do not consider them a cult.

I wasn't attacking you, just disagreeing. Nice to see your username again. I know you are former SDA, not currently.

I'm talking about my experience with SDA people. They are fine folks, for the most part. And I think most are saved. But I am concerned for those they bring into the SDA church. I gave three reasons why I think they are a cult. Everything I have heard in response only confirms my position. Everything circles back to the undeniable facts.

 

[klutedavid]

Actually if you attend one of their baptisms (or are baptized by them) you will see them get asked a set of questions based on a summary of their beliefs, and the last one that you must agree to is, "I believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, into which people of every nation, race, class, and language are invited and accepted, and I desire membership in its fellowship."

They will also reveal later in their prophecy/evangelizing seminars that they are the remnant church described in Revelation. It's one of the big things they build towards in the preceding sessions.

That doesn't mean that Messianics, 7th day Baptists, etc. wouldn't be included because people from all denominations are to be called out of them to the SDA church once they have to make the final choice between Sunday (mark of the beast) and Saturday (seal of God) worship when the "Sunday law" takes effect.

Whether we are in the end times or not. The term used, the mark of the beast, indicates the immense gravity of that rebellion against God.

That the SDA is the only true church, simply means, all other churches are in rebellion and opposed to Christ. There can be no common ground between the SDA and any other church.

There was only one apostolic church and that apostolic church is the SDA. The SDA has always been the remnant church of Revelations.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

How is it easier to get off every Sun then it is every Sat?

You don’t think getting off on a weekend is inconvenient for everyone?

Wow. You make such a great case for the great sacrifices of people in SDA.

I almost want to chuckle in how niave it is to say.

It should be added that you might also have to take off most of Friday afternoon every week depending on when the sun goes down.

Also that as it stands right now keeping the seventh day sabbath(Saturday) is more difficult to keep than Sunday, there are many jobs that don't like having to give Saturday off as well as most of Friday depending on the time the sunsets. Then if that job closes on Sunday they might be mad that you are basically getting three days off a week(know from personal experience), which really doesn't help pay the bills when you might possibly only be able to work four days a week, but still it's not incredibly difficult to keep as things are right now. Only during the time of the mark of the beast when the abominable Sunday sabbath is being enforced by penalty of death(along with not being able to buy or sell anything), will the keeping of Saturday Sabbath be just as hard to keep as any of the other commandments. Harder even in some cases since this commandment will have an anti-type punishable by death and enforced by World Government Law.

 

[mmksparbud]

What are you saying? Christians commit sin constantly, and after a certain amount of time this has been happening, The Holy Spirit then convicts them they are sinning? Why would the Holy Spirit want people to continue in sin, in ignorance of the fact they are sinning?

Sin is still sin. If I took the Lords name in vain without knowing I am committing sin(not possible if you are truly born again) I would still be committing sin for I would be transgressing the law
Non Christians are still sinners, without the conviction of the Holy Spirit they are committing sin

God

 

[stephen pollard]

God

how does the above respond to the following conversation?

You wrote:
It is not until the Spirit convicts that it then becomes sin. Said that before. The problem lies with those that once they are convicted, they deem it such an inconvenience, that they will not change. I can not convince or convict--Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And only God knows when that line has been crossed. But yes, we do believe there will come a day when a choice will have to be made

I responded

What are you saying? Christians commit sin constantly, and after a certain amount of time this has been happening, The Holy Spirit then convicts them they are sinning? Why would the Holy Spirit want people to continue in sin, in ignorance of the fact they are sinning?

Sin is still sin. If I took the Lords name in vain without knowing I am committing sin(not possible if you are truly born again) I would still be committing sin for I would be transgressing the law
Non Christians are still sinners, without the conviction of the Holy Spirit they are committing sin

 

[mmksparbud]

My computer's internal fan went out some time ago. I have an external one under it to keep it going, but no body can fix the thing=---they can, but they said for what they would have to charge me I could buy a new one. That is how most things are nowadays--just made to add to the landfill. Sometimes it overheats even with an icepack on top! Can't afford new one---will keep going as long as I can. Things may get weird!

 

[mmksparbud]

How is it easier to get off every Sun then it is every Sat?

You don’t think getting off on a weekend is inconvenient for everyone?

Wow. You make such a great case for the great sacrifices of people in SDA.

I almost want to chuckle in how niave it is to say.

That is just it -- most people don't usually ask for Sundays off--mostly because most businesses are closed Sundays! Besides, Sunday keepers very seldom truly keep Sunday--they just go to church then it is business as usual. Sadly, even some SDA's are doing the same thing. I worked the medical field--I arranged with the Sunday keepers to switch with me. I worked Sundays for them. Worked.
I say it is terribly sad and very naïve of you to not see it---try it. And for those who have had had to switch careers and jobs and their whole lives around----it isn't funny.
One family gave up a million dollar turkey farm -- I said turkey are clean meats--but they wanted to go vegetarian and it just seemed hypocritical to them. They had started to go vegetarian before they came to the church, working in the turkey meat turned them off all meat. They took a loss, eventually it all worked out with new careers. But yes it was tough.
And yes--it sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That is just it -- most people don't usually ask for Sundays off--mostly because most businesses are closed Sundays! Besides, Sunday keepers very seldom truly keep Sunday--they just go to church then it is business as usual. Sadly, even some SDA's are doing the same thing. I worked the medical field--I arranged with the Sunday keepers to switch with me. I worked Sundays for them. Worked.
I say it is terribly sad and very naïve of you to not see it---try it. And for those who have had had to switch careers and jobs and their whole lives around----it isn't funny.
One family gave up a million dollar turkey farm -- I said turkey are clean meats--but they wanted to go vegetarian and it just seemed hypocritical to them. They had started to go vegetarian before they came to the church, working in the turkey meat turned them off all meat. They took a loss, eventually it all worked out with new careers. But yes it was tough.
And yes--it sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night.

Most businesses are closed on Sundays? I don’t think so. It’s would be a nice essay if it were true. Human beings who believe in a cause love to be persecuted for it so they see themselves as special and noble.

What country do you live in that most businesses are closed on Sunday?

I’m interested in your answer.

 

[mmksparbud]

how does the above respond to the following conversation?

You wrote:
It is not until the Spirit convicts that it then becomes sin. Said that before. The problem lies with those that once they are convicted, they deem it such an inconvenience, that they will not change. I can not convince or convict--Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And only God knows when that line has been crossed. But yes, we do believe there will come a day when a choice will have to be made

I responded

What are you saying? Christians commit sin constantly, and after a certain amount of time this has been happening, The Holy Spirit then convicts them they are sinning? Why would the Holy Spirit want people to continue in sin, in ignorance of the fact they are sinning?

Sin is still sin. If I took the Lords name in vain without knowing I am committing sin(not possible if you are truly born again) I would still be committing sin for I would be transgressing the law
Non Christians are still sinners, without the conviction of the Holy Spirit they are committing sin

Sorry---overheating had to get ice on the computer! This really stinks!! I was told it could go anytime. Sometimes it just shuts down when it overheats.

I was trying to say, God has His own time frame. He works on different areas with different people. He is patient. `One pastor had talked to a big name pastor--he interestingly had all the EGW books and my pastor asked him about it. He said he had read then all and believed them, pastor asked him why he didn't `switch over---he said he had been called to do what he was doing and had not ben called to anything else. He had been called to bring people to Christ, not to the Sabbath so he stayed where he was---I can't fault him for that if that is how he felt. That is between God and him. We are all to live up to what light has been given--if you don't feel you have been called to keep the Sabbath, it is not up to me to judge you for that--we just present what we feel the scriptures say.

 

[mmksparbud]

Most businesses are closed on Sundays? I don’t think so. It’s would be a nice essay if it were true. Human beings who believe in a cause love to be persecuted for it so they see themselves as special and noble.

What country do you live in that most businesses are closed on Sunday?

I’m interested in your answer.

Las Vegas, Nev!!! And yes--there are many countries where this is the case and in many cities there are still blue laws on the books, Mostly not enforced, but they still have the doors closed on Sundays---esp, in small towns. We are in every country in the world---there are places where it is against the law to even worship at all--any day of the week--there are places that strictly enforce the Sunday closure. Particularly in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and Norway, keeping most stores closed on Sundays. You can go online and find out which countries have those laws and they have them because of pressure from the Catholic church. It is no secret, the church is very proud they can do this and they are very open about wanting to enforce Sunday laws in every country. They say it is for the health and welfare of the workers. Didn't you know?

 

[BobRyan]

They have a few threads on their board about that for those interested:

Traditional Adventists
A place for Seventh-day Adventist who accept the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Official Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental Beliefs

Why the Seventh-day Adventist church is the Remnant Church in the Bible

As you noted: I said

BobRyan said: ↑
The Bible does not limit salvation to the term "remnant" rather the term refers to that portion of the saints during any given age that are promoting the message of God for that age.

For example Noah's message or John the baptist or Paul or, Wycliffe or Luther or Miller, or ... each of them in their day were promoting that message for their day but they were not the only people on the planet that were saved during their day.

The Seventh-day Adventist church is the only church today proclaiming the message of Rev 14 and Daniel 7 -- and is at the same time distinguished even among those outside of it - as a church that is closely linked to the "gift of prophecy" as Rev 12 states in the term "testimony of Jesus" defined in Rev 19 as "the gift of prophecy".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[mmksparbud]

As you noted: I said

BobRyan said: ↑
The Bible does not limit salvation to the term "remnant" rather the term refers to that portion of the saints during any given age that are promoting the message of God for that age.

For example Noah's message or John the baptist or Paul or, Wycliffe or Luther or Miller, or ... each of them in their day were promoting that message for their day but they were not the only people on the planet that were saved during their day.

The Seventh-day Adventist church is the only church today proclaiming the message of Rev 14 and Daniel 7 -- and is at the same time distinguished even among those outside of it - as a church that is closely linked to the "gift of prophecy" as Rev 12 states in the term "testimony of Jesus" defined in Rev 19 as "the gift of prophecy".

in Christ,

Bob

Ahh---the Calvary has arrived---what took you so long--I've had whiplash here!!

 

[Natsumi Lam]

While I have serious disagreements with some SDA doctrine (i.e. sabbath days are any day that happen to be a sabbath, not just a feast day), I have to say that it is nice to have an SDA on this site that can actually hold a *discussion* rather than just making programmed responses to everything that's said.



The argument isn't whether or not someone can break the 10 commandments, but that we have a different "yardstick" now in the Holy Spirit. The 10 commandments was part of the Mosaic covenant made with the Israelites at Sinai. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of that law and the gift of the Holy Spirit (in our hearts) makes the stone tablets obsolete, at least for Christians who have the Spirit. The Spirit is an "upgrade" so to speak.

If it was a sin to break the seventh day sabbath, the Spirit would convict people concerning it, but the Spirit has been silent about it as the seventh day sabbath is the sign of the Mosaic covenant like circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. The signs of the new covenant are baptism and the Lord's supper and Jesus himself is our rest.

While it can be very beneficial to practice a day of sabbath, we are not condemned for *not* doing so because we are not under that covenant and never have been if not Jewish.

The Holy Spirit has convicted family, friends and aquaintences and myself to keep the Sabbaht holy. So it is not that He is silent...it is that some dont listen, others cant hear and some are milk drinkers.

 

[BobRyan]

Ahh---the Calvary has arrived---what took you so long--I've had whiplash here!!

You mean Cavalry?

Actually I did not know this even existed until LLOJ posted a quote from me and I got notified. If you want me to show up - quote from from some other thread and post to wherever you want to see my smiling face

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry---overheating had to get ice on the computer! This really stinks!! I was told it could go anytime. Sometimes it just shuts down when it overheats.
.

Try having the internal fan replaced

 

[BobRyan]

Human beings who believe in a cause love to be persecuted for it .

I am sure the Jews of Paul's day enjoyed telling that story about Christians. But is it remotely true in real life???

 

[BobRyan]

Hi Family,
What is SDA?
What is their doctrine?
Is it different than non-denom beliefs?
~Natsumi Lam~

Sorry folks -- I just got to this thread so am starting with the OP because that is the respectful thing to do on any thread.

A short way to get "What is SDA" is to start with "Seventh-day Baptist". -- as the baseline.
So as soon as you hear that denominational name you know
1. Trinitarian
2. Saved by grace through faith
3. 66 books of the Bible
4. Sola scriptura testing of doctrine
5. believer's baptism
6. Literal virgin birth
7. Literal death burial and resurrection of Christ.
8. Literal bodily ascension of Christ to heaven.
9. Literal second coming.
10. Literal creation week.
11. Literal flood
12. Literal 1000 year millennium
13. Moral law of God written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant that includes all TEN of the TEN commandments.

Which is pretty much where the SDA beliefs start.

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From there you need to then look at SDA distinctives.

1.. Sanctuary in heaven spoken of in Hebrew 8:1-5
2. Second Coming that is post-trib pre-mill
3. Millennium where you have a "desolate Earth" with saints in heaven with Christ.
4. the Same Sabbath teaching except that SDAs see it as key to Rev 14:7 and Rev 14:12, and 1 John 5:2-3 and SDB does not.
5. Atonement in Leviticus 16 that requires both the Atoning Sacrifice on the cross and also the work of Christ as High Priest in heaven.
6. No Bible text says man has an immortal soul - Rather as 1 Thess 4:13-16 says at death we are "those who have fallen asleep in Jesus".
7. 1 Cor 12 Gifts .. include the Gift of Prophecy - while at the same time rejecting the modern attempts at speaking in tongues as being a false manifestation of what the real gift was in Acts 2 and 1Cor 14.
8. The Rev 15:8 close of probation just prior to the Rev 16 seven last plagues.
9. the Daniel 7:9,10, 22 the judgment in heaven that is before the second coming as we see in Rev 14:6-7

 

[mmksparbud]

Try having the internal fan replaced

It's a laptop and nobody wants to work on it. Seems that all anyone works on anymore are the desktop models. Laptops, apparently, are a nightmare to work on and they now throw them away instead of fixing them---like printers and irons and ...….things are made to be disposed of now. I am not happy. It's only 4 years old and everybody talks as though that is ancient!!

 

[bekkilyn]

The Holy Spirit has convicted family, friends and aquaintences and myself to keep the Sabbaht holy. So it is not that He is silent...it is that some dont listen, others cant hear and some are milk drinkers.

It may be true that particular family members or yourself have been convicted by the Holy Spirit to do something, but that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit convicts everyone of the same thing. Everyone has different spiritual needs and different ways of communicating with God. The Holy Spirit may convict some people to fast, but others to spend more time in prayer. Whatever he deems most helpful for us for getting close to him. So perhaps he has convicted you to observe a time of sabbath, whether it be on Saturday, Sunday, or some other day, if it helps to draw you closer to him.

My argument is against Christians as a whole being accountable under old covenant law. Individually, the Holy Spirit (not old covenant law) could convict us for many different things, even including a sabbath day.