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Might wanna get that checked.....

Yah---the Good Lord has slinged a 2X4 occasionally for it! Can't you just picture God sometimes going :doh:"Oy vay!" after you've opened your mouth once too often??!!
 
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Don't push it!! I have a nasty sarcastic streak down my back the size of Texas. I have been dinged by the mods for it several times.
I would let you dope slap me from Brownsville to Amarillo if necessary, SIS. I just returned from er, ah, um, 6 months 'sabbatical'. ( ;) )
 
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SDA is Seventh-day Adventist

It is a legalistic Christian denomination (not a cult) whose main difference is they keep the 4th commandment keeping the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. They also keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11, so they don't eat pork or shellfish, and most don't even eat meat at all and are just vegetarians, some even vegans. It is also a holiness denomination and don't wear jewelry or makeup, though they allow diamond studded watches. No tobacco, alchohol, movies, playing cards, or dancing.

In the early days of the denomination which came out of the Millerites movement, a young woman named Ellen G. White had visions, and became the demonination's prophetess. Her writings are obeyed and called the Spirit of Prophecy.
Not to mention that this sect also believes that Earth is literally 6,000 years old as well as the fact they hold to soul sleep and annihilation, which does not really scare me at all like the Biblical eternal conscious torment does. This is because that SDAs (as well as JWs, Armstrongnites, and even some evangelicals, like Mario from The Vigilant Christian YouTube Channel) believe that when people did they have absolutely no awareness or conciousness. Then, when Jesus returns, He will totally annihilate the wicked, their body and soul will cease to exsist forever.
 
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Not to mention that this sect also believes that Earth is literally 6,000 years old as well as the fact they hold to soul sleep and annihilation, which does not really scare me at all like the Biblical eternal conscious torment does. This is because that SDAs (as well as JWs, Armstrongnites, and even some evangelicals, like Mario from The Vigilant Christian YouTube Channel) believe that when people did they have absolutely no awareness or conciousness. Then, when Jesus returns, He will totally annihilate the wicked, their body and soul will cease to exsist forever.

Correct. Except just over 6,000---I take it you are one of those that prefer to have your grandmother and grandchild and loved ones that do not make it burn forever?? What did they do to you that requires such an action?
 
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Correct. Except just over 6,000---I take it you are one of those that prefer to have your grandmother and grandchild and loved ones that do not make it burn forever?? What did they do to you that requires such an action?
What verses support annihalation
 
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I mean where in the bible does it say they have to "work off" or however u want to put it...sins?

It's implied.

Luke 12:7 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
 
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Not to mention that this sect also believes that Earth is literally 6,000 years old as well as the fact they hold to soul sleep and annihilation, which does not really scare me at all like the Biblical eternal conscious torment does. This is because that SDAs (as well as JWs, Armstrongnites, and even some evangelicals, like Mario from The Vigilant Christian YouTube Channel) believe that when people did they have absolutely no awareness or conciousness. Then, when Jesus returns, He will totally annihilate the wicked, their body and soul will cease to exsist forever.

I also believe the earth is about 6000 years old as did the early Christians. What do you believe? 65 billion?
 
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It's implied.

Luke 12:7 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Is it wise to base a doctrine off implications?
 
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Is it wise to base a doctrine off implications?

Jesus spoke them for a reason.

Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

The fire is unquenchable (for the demons), but the chaff is burned up.
 
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Those who can't tolerate a wall of text (me!) will bypass most of this!
It is a study on certain words--put them all together.
Destruction: end of existing
Exodus 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
Numbers 21:3 The LORD heard the voice of Israel and delivered up the Canaanites; then they utterly destroyed them and their cities. Thus the name of the place was called Hormah.
Deuteronomy 2:34 "So we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed the men, women and children of every city. We left no survivor.
Deuteronomy 3:6 "We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city.
Joshua 2:10 "For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.
Joshua 6:21 They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 8:26 For Joshua did not withdraw his hand with which he stretched out the javelin until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
Joshua 10:1 Now it came about when Adoni-zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had captured Ai, and had utterly destroyed it (just as he had done to Jericho and its king, so he had done to Ai and its king), and that the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel and were within their land,
Joshua 10:28 Now Joshua captured Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it He left no survivor Thus he did to the king of Makkedah just as he had done to the king of Jericho.
Joshua 10:35 They captured it on that day and struck it with the edge of the sword; and he utterly destroyed that day every person who was in it, according to all that he had done to Lachish.
Joshua 10:37 They captured it and struck it and its king and all its cities and all the persons who were in it with the edge of the sword. He left no survivor, according to all that he had done to Eglon. And he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it.
Joshua 10:39 He captured it and its king and all its cities, and they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person who was in it. He left no survivor. Just as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir and its king, as he had also done to Libnah and its king.
Joshua 10:40 Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.
Joshua 11:12 Joshua captured all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, and he struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed them; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
Joshua 11:21 Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.
Judges 1:17 Then Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they struck the Canaanites living in Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. So the name of the city was called Hormah.
1 Samuel 15:8 He captured Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
1 Samuel 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1 Samuel 15:15 Saul said, "They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed."
1 Samuel 15:20 Then Saul said to Samuel, "I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
1 Samuel 15:21 "But the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God at Gilgal."
1 Kings 20:42 He said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I had devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people.'"
1 Chronicles 4:41 These, recorded by name, came in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and attacked their tents and the Meunites who were found there, and destroyed them utterly to this day, and lived in their place, because there was pasture there for their flocks.
2 Chronicles 31:1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.
2 Chronicles 32:14 'Who was there among all the gods of those nations which my fathers utterly destroyed who could deliver his people out of my hand, that your God should be able to deliver you from my hand?
Isaiah 34:2 For the LORD'S indignation is against all the nations, And His wrath against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to slaughter.
Isaiah 60:12 "For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will be utterly ruined.
Zechariah 14:11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
Devoured:
Mat_13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mar_4:4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
Luk_8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk_15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Stubble
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa_33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
Isa_47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Joe_2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Oba_1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Nah_1:10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
 
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Again--it doesn't read THE SABBATH --it reads sabbath days--that is what the feasts were ---sabbaths.

ev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Lev_23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev_23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Lev_23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev_25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
Lev_25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
Lev_25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
Here is the verse in question.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day, things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

You claim that the phrase, 'a Sabbath day', refers to feasts. You have a serious problem with your interpretation. The Colossians were not under the law of Moses in the first place. So how could someone judge the Colossians, regarding Jewish feasts, when the Colossians did not practice those feasts?
 
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Here is the verse in question.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day, things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

You claim that the phrase, 'a Sabbath day', refers to feasts. You have a serious problem with your interpretation. The Colossians were not under the law of Moses in the first place. So how could someone judge the Colossians, regarding Jewish feasts, when the Colossians did not practice those feasts?


And who do you claim are the Colossians? They were Jews and pagans that had converted. The pagans also had many feast days--they were in danger of incorporating both Jewish sabbath's and pagan festivals into their worship. Also
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was never a shadow of things to come---it always pointed backward to creation. To the creator of all.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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God didn't create Jews! He created a man and a woman. The Jews didn't come along until Abraham. There was no death in Eden--Adam and Eve were vegetarians along with all the animals. That was the original diet and we will go back to that after the resurrection.
Jews arrived after Abraham.
 
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And who do you claim are the Colossians? They were Jews and pagans that had converted. The pagans also had many feast days--they were in danger of incorporating both Jewish sabbath's and pagan festivals into their worship. Also
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was never a shadow of things to come---it always pointed backward to creation. To the creator of all.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Your post does not make any sense.

The Colossians were not celebrating Jewish feasts, no one could judge the Colossians concerning Jewish feasts.

Your interpretation is in serious trouble.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day

You need to read the text!
 
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I never said that!! They do not work off sins--they pay for them and are destroyed! Quite twisting what I say!

2Co_11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Rev_20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, accorjavascript:void(null);ding to their works.
Rev_20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
OT and NT

Have a heart.................

Jeremiah 17:10

I Yahweh, searching heart, examining the affections/kidneys/ 03629 kilyah and giving to man ways of him, as fruit of his doings. [Revelation 2:23]

Acts 1:6 restore kingdom to Israel/10 kings One Mind Reve 17?

Heart/s<2588> used in 3 verses of Revelation

Revelation 2:23
And the offspring of Her I shall be killing in death,
and shall be knowing all the Assemblies that I AM the One searching kidneys/reins/nefrouV <3510> and hearts<2588>.
and I shall be giving to ye each according to the works of ye. [Jeremiah 17:10]

Revelation 17:
16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the beast, these will hate the Prostitute, and will make Her desolate and naked, and will eat Her flesh, and will burn Her with fire.
17 For God has put into their hearts to accomplish His purpose, and to do one purpose,
and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Revelation 18:
7 So much as She has glorified herself and lived in luxury, give to Her as much torment and misery, because in Her heart She says, 'I sit as a Queen, and I am never a widow, and never shall I see mourning.'
9 And the kings of the earth, the ones having committed sexual immorality and having lived luxuriously with her, will weep and will wail for her when they see the smoke of Her burning,
10 standing from afar because of the fear of her torment, saying:


Acts 1:
6 Then they gathered around Him and asked Him, “Lord! are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?
7 Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which you perceived are ten Kings, who any a Kingdom not as yet received,
but authority as Kings one hour they are obtaining with the beast,

Jeremiah 3:8
She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce.
Yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot/harlot.



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God didn't create Jews! He created a man and a woman. The Jews didn't come along until Abraham. There was no death in Eden--Adam and Eve were vegetarians along with all the animals. That was the original diet and we will go back to that after the resurrection.
Here is what you said.
The Jews didn't come along until Abraham.
Abraham was not a Jew.
 
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Your post does not make any sense.

The Colossians were not celebrating Jewish feasts, no one could judge the Colossians concerning Jewish feasts.

Your interpretation is in serious trouble.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day

You need to read the text!

The Sabbath is not a shodow of things to come!!! You need to read the whole text---you only quoted Col 2:16 and did not post Col 2:17
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Jewish feasts were a shadow of things to come--not The Sabbath--there obviously were Jews in the crowd. It is your interpretation that is in serious trouble!!
 
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Here is what you said.

Abraham was not a Jew.

No--He isn't. He is called the father of the Jews. He gave birth to Isaac, who had the 12 sons from which the 12 tribes came from.
 
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