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LOL! You want to get into hell also? That is usually a thread if it's own and there is always one about it. Summed up---we don't believe in an everlasting burning hell.
2Co_11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Rev_20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev_20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Works will not get you into heaven---but they will certainly get you into hell! You soend as much time and pain in hell as God appoints and then it is over and sin and sinners are wied out forever.
 
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Yes, on THESE TWO, not the 10. The purpose of the 10 is clear. They were temporary UNTIL Christ.

Galatians 3
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
 
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I guess the Jews and Muslims must be conspiring against the world by raising pigs to fatten up the gentiles and infidels for the slaughter ........

Pig farms bloom in Muslim Morocco thanks to tourism | Travel News | eTurboNews

That's ok. We just use 'em as weapons against them:

Just a quick question for law proponents.


Deuteronomy 7:20
“Moreover the LORD your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed.


 
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No--the Levitical laws were temporary, for Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb. He fulfilled all the sacrificial laws. The 10 were never a part of that. Those laws were kept in the Ark---the law of Moses was kept outside the Ark. Even today, we still say when something is written in stone it is permanent. Those are the only ones God wrote with His own finger on stone. The others were dictated to Moses, not on stone.
 
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Reply concerning SDA -
It would probably be helpful for you to review the history of the Christian 7th day Sabbath Churches - beginning with the Church that Christ built.
I copied some highlights from this booklet GOD'S CHURCH THROUGH THE AGES
that pertains to your question. (Also see telecast video Sabbath or Sunday?)

God's Church Through the Ages
CHAPTER 4
TAKING ROOT IN A NEW WORLD
By the end of the 1500s, congregations that the world labeled “Sabbatarian Anabaptists” had emerged from remnants of the Waldensians and were growing in Central Europe, Germany and England. They were termed Sabbatarianbecause they taught and observed the seventh-day Sabbath. They were called Anabaptists, meaning “re-baptizers,” because they refused to accept as Christians those who had merely been sprinkled as babies. They taught that baptism was only for adults who had come to believe the Gospel and had repented of their sins (cf. Acts 2:38).

THE CHURCH IN EARLY AMERICA
Upon arriving in Rhode Island, the only American colony founded upon the principle of religious liberty, the Mumfords began to fellowship with Baptists in Newport. They were not quiet, however, about their belief in the Sabbath. In 1665, within the first year of the Mumfords’ arrival, Tacy Hubbard started keeping the Sabbath with them, becoming the first convert in America. Shortly afterward, her husband Samuel joined her. In 1671, the first Sabbath-keeping church in America officially began with seven members. William Hiscox was the first pastor of the church, serving from 1671 until his death in 1704.

In 1708, a second church was officially organized in Westerly, Rhode Island (later renamed Hopkinton). Throughout the eighteenth century, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania and New Jersey seem to have been the main areas of Sabbath-keeping churches. During this time, German Sabbath-keepers immigrated to Pennsylvania. Peter Miller was the best-known minister of the German Sabbath-keepers in Pennsylvania and was a friend of Benjamin Franklin.

THE ADVENTIST MOVEMENT
In the 1830s, a movement arose among Protestant churches in western New York that focused on the return of Jesus Christ to this earth, and on the establishment of His literal Kingdom. This message, which first began to be forcefully proclaimed by William Miller, was totally different from accepted Protestant doctrine. His teachings on prophecy attracted much interest and stirred increasing attention as his predicted 1844 date for the return of Christ drew near. After what was termed “the great disappointment,” confusion set in among these Protestant Adventists. Ridiculed by mainline Protestants, some became disillusioned and gave up religion altogether. Others continued to search the Scriptures to see where they had gone wrong.

THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Church of God was small and scattered, with fewer than 1,000 members, living mostly in the American Midwest. The General Conference of the Church of God legally incorporated in 1900 in the state of Missouri. The Church’s newspaper underwent a name change that same year to become The Bible Advocate.

In 1903, Gilbert Cranmer, a minister since the 1850s and one of the chief builders of the Church in the aftermath of the Seventh-Day Adventist/Church of God split in the 1860s, died at age 89. In 1910, Alexander Dugger, who had served as a leader of the General Conference since its inception, as well as having served as editor of The Bible Advocate, also died. A third faithful pioneer, Jacob Brinkerhoff, died in 1916. He had served as editor of the Advocate on and off from 1871 to 1914. Mr. Brinkerhoff was considered by many to be the most outstanding leader of the Church in his time. “Jacob Brinkerhoff had served the Church of God for over 40 years.… Instead of buying a home in 1874, Brinkerhoff used the money instead to buy the press equipment for the Advent and Sabbath Advocate.… Single-handedly, it seems, he had prevented the total collapse of the Work” (Richard Nickels, History of the Seventh Day Church of God, p. 85).

THE ADVENTIST MOVEMENT
........ Into the fellowship of these zealous Sabbatarian Adventists came Roswell Cottrell, a long-time minister and Sabbath-keeper. His family had been among the earliest members of the Church of God in Rhode Island, but the Cottrell family withdrew from the fellowship of what was then being called the Seventh-Day Baptist Church over doctrine. This was the time when such changes as the Trinity and the immortality of the soul were being adopted as official Seventh-Day Baptist doctrine. About 15 years after coming into the fellowship of the Sabbatarian Adventists, he found himself once again embroiled in controversy. Elder James White, who had emerged as the main leader among the Sabbath-keeping, Adventist Churches of God, was pushing for an organizational conference and an official name, Seventh-Day Adventist Church. There were those who opposed this change as unscriptural and also opposed giving credence to the visions of Elder White’s wife, Ellen G. White. Roswell Cottrell opposed Mr. White’s organizational moves. He wrote, in the May 3, 1860, Review and Herald, “I do not believe in popery; neither do I believe in anarchy; but in Bible order, discipline, and government in the Church of God” (Nickels, p. 162).

Sabbath or Sunday? | Tomorrow's World
Tomorrow's Worldtelecasts/sabbath-or-sunday
 
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LOL! I guess that is one way to get rid of the infidel--feed them pork! I did hear of one place in this country that objected to a mosque going up--they buried a pig on their lot---the mosque did not go up! I did not verify.

As for the question---we have Jesus as our High Priest now--His blood covers everyone's sins when they repent.
 
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In 2 Corinthians 3, the Ten Commandments were called the ministry of death, engraved on stone. Romans 7 refers to "thou shall not covet" one of the Ten to show that was "the law" referred to. And Romans 8:2 says the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, has freed me from the law of sin and death.

Jesus provides a much better way to be righteous. Not by using our own strength to obey lowest standard, bottom-line commandments, but the highest standard New Covenant commandments through the POWER of the Holy Spirit. Belief on Jesus and LOVE. The lower standard commandments are swallowed up in the NEW. Just as kindergarten is swallowed up in university.
 
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That is what Jesus does---it is through Him and Him alone that we can obey God.
 
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The SDA insistence on following Jewish dietary laws is sufficient to prove they have "another gospel" that contradicts the bible and the traditions of Christianity.
I will hear no more from heretics.

So you believe Adam and Eve were Jews based on your statement
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Be careful with your traditions
Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
 
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Works will not get you into heaven---but they will certainly get you into hell! You soend as much time and pain in hell as God appoints and then it is over and sin and sinners are wied out forever.

Wait what u believe u have to spend time in hell burning off sins?
 
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What about what Jesus said to the High Priest in Matt 26?
[Keep in mind this was just about 40yrs before the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem/Temple/Priesthood]

Question about the High Priest seeing Jesus coming on clouds of heaven


Matthew 26:
63 and Jesus was silent. And the Chief-priest answering said to Him,
"I adjure thee! by the living God, that thou mayest say to us, if thou art the Christ--the Son of God.'
64 Jesus is saying to him "thou say.
Moreover I am saying to ye, at-present ye shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting out of rights of the power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven....
Mark 13:26
And then they shall be seeing the Son of Man coming in clouds with much power and glory
Luke 21:27

And then they shall be seeing the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and much glory.
 
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I just remembered there is a thread on that:
There are some standing here who will not taste death-

 
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Wait what u believe u have to spend time in hell burning off sins?

I believe he means the unsaved are punished in hell for the amount of sins to their name, and then they are destroyed. SDAs do not believe in punishment forever, and ever.
 
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God didn't create Jews! He created a man and a woman. The Jews didn't come along until Abraham. There was no death in Eden--Adam and Eve were vegetarians along with all the animals. That was the original diet and we will go back to that after the resurrection.
 
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Wait what u believe u have to spend time in hell burning off sins?

For crying out loud!! Where did I say that! I said there is a hell---sinners go there and they will spend however much time and suffer as much pain as God sees fit according to their works and then they are no more. Please don't add to what I said. We don't burn off sins---those who are not covered by the blood of the Lamb will pay for their own sins.
 
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This I can agree with. There will be no death in heaven, so no meat to eat in heaven.

You are the first person to believe as I do, that the animals were also vegetarians before the flood.
 
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I believe he means the unsaved are punished in hell for the amount of sins to their name, and then they are destroyed. SDAs do not believe in punishment forever, and ever.

Is that in the bible?
 
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Howdy, Sarge!
So I take it you find the SDA a wee bit stickly with their wickets?
 
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I was making a pun...hell and burn...chill out
 
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